What's faster on the track C4 or C2
03-20-2005, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Palting
OK, TD. As a host, I will spring for the liquor, although you definitely don't deserve it with all the name calling you've done 
. I don't do club racing, so it'll have to be a DE. I can buy you the drink at the club race, though. But wait, you can't be club racing the 996 Targa? It's got all that extra weight up top. At least the C4S weight is performance related. Anyway, I guess it's the MOR DE then. If not, I'm sure we can find some common ground at Dale's track schedule. Looking forward to it, but I always look forward to any DE 
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. I don't do club racing, so it'll have to be a DE. I can buy you the drink at the club race, though. But wait, you can't be club racing the 996 Targa? It's got all that extra weight up top. At least the C4S weight is performance related. Anyway, I guess it's the MOR DE then. If not, I'm sure we can find some common ground at Dale's track schedule. Looking forward to it, but I always look forward to any DE .
03-21-2005, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Chads996
Depends on the driver. Apples to apples, C4 is heavier.
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03-21-2005, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ADias
C4 is only about 100lbs heavier than the C2. The C4S is much heavier.
ummm... that's 100kg not 100lbs. turns out to be 220lbs
03-21-2005, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by karlooz
ummm... that's 100kg not 100lbs. turns out to be 220lbs
The C4S (3,240 lbs) is 275 lbs heavier then the 3.6l C2 (2,965 lbs), according to Porsche.
Incidentally, the 997 C2 is 3,075 lbs (w/no spare) the 997 S is 3,131 lbs (no spare). They just keep getting heavier and heavier...
03-21-2005, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob in WA
Incidentally, the 997 C2 is 3,075 lbs (w/no spare) the 997 S is 3,131 lbs (no spare). They just keep getting heavier and heavier...
04-17-2005, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JimB
Here's a hint. I don't think I have ever seen a non-turbo AWD in club racing. All things being equal, the c2 wins every time except in the rain. I don't buy the tire management idea either. AWD adds weight. With more weight, everything the tires do is more difficult. It's harder to go, to stop and to turn. I also don't get the novice vs pro idea. I'm not sure what, other than PSM, about a C4 would benefit a novice. Maybe I'm missing something.
Just my $.02. Your opions may vary.
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04-17-2005, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by riad
I'm always amused by these threads. How many of us could actually push a C2/C4 to it's limits? It's like making sure you have Tiger Woods' clubs even though you shoot a 98.
i will tell a story wich I lived...
here in greece were i live we do have only 2 proper track fields....
one is close were i live and the total distance is 2.1 klms...
the other one is far away and have never been there...
years ago, porsche club italia came here to visit my country and of course the track.....
one of the official instructors could easily beat 911's....with the very first Boxster 2.5......205 ps.....
he managed 1:13.05......around the track, while me with my 964 approx 270ps suspension...mods exhaust etc....managed only 1:13.80.....
i feel like C2 Vs C4 comparison is really out of place since, i assume 95% of us cannot drive like Walter Rohl
generally speaking though:
4WD = more weight,
more weight = higher power/klgs ratio
higher power/klgs ratio = slower in general terms
but again it all comes down to driver's skills......
04-17-2005, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by karlooz
C2 wins over C4!!! this useless bit of info proves it
04-17-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Re-animator
This website re-publishes test times directly from Auto Motor Und Sport which is the most respected automobile rag in Germany r/t Ring times, FWIW.
04-17-2005, 06:24 PM
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Not to continue to push the issue with factual representation.
# 20,832 km 8,16 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 4S 320 ps, Porsche test
drivers 2001.
# 20,832 km 8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 993 Carrera 4
# 20,832 km 8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 300 ps.
# 20,600 km 8,15 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps, Sport Auto 2000.
# 20,832 km 8,17,37= 150 km/h Schnitzer M3 E36 CLS II 350 ps
# 20,832 km 8,18 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps.
# 20,832 km 8,19 = 150 km/h Yamaha R1, Jørund Seim, Norway.
# 20,832 km 8,20 = 150 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 2 320 ps, Porsche test
drivers 2001.
# 20,832 km 8,16 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 4S 320 ps, Porsche test
drivers 2001.
# 20,832 km 8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 993 Carrera 4
# 20,832 km 8,17 = 151 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 300 ps.
# 20,600 km 8,15 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps, Sport Auto 2000.
# 20,832 km 8,17,37= 150 km/h Schnitzer M3 E36 CLS II 350 ps
# 20,832 km 8,18 = 150 km/h BMW Z8 400 ps.
# 20,832 km 8,19 = 150 km/h Yamaha R1, Jørund Seim, Norway.
# 20,832 km 8,20 = 150 km/h Porsche 996 Carrera 2 320 ps, Porsche test
drivers 2001.
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04-17-2005, 07:57 PM
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Okay, I know I'm a little late to this post, but here's my view. I've noticed that a 996 C2 doesn't like to turn while you're accelerating. This is most noticeable at an autocross, and I remember wishing I had ordered mine as a C4 the first time I participated in an autocross. The weight difference there is not likely to make a difference in acceleration, since the game is largely one of cornering ability and speeds are fairly low. Also, I find in spirited street driving, the front end of my C2 seems a bit "floaty," so I would welcome more weight up there. I'm also not a big fan of the huge rear weight bias, so the slight additional weight up front is likely to make the car just a bit closer to 50/50 weight distribution. If I buy another 911, it will most likely be a C4.
