Red coolant light slow blinking after tank replacement
#16
Simply leave the wiring connector unplugged from the low coolant sensor/switch.....this will for sure have the open circuit and no slow flashing light...
The low coolant sensor/switch and the float/magnet and coolant level all simply serve to GROUND the wire from the cluster to chassis ...
I have found that the instrument cluster has a 19 second delay in starting the slow flash, I know in 1999 c2 cars, this delay is to keep from having the slow flash during slosh or very high G maneuvers when the coolant level is not actually low...I don't know for sure if the 19 second delay is on ALL models since I don't have all models at my disposal and haven't tested for this on all of them ..
All 996 models have the same sensor/switch .. wiring , float/magnet , but some "could" have a different logic built into the instrument cluster where there is no 19 second delay or a need to "set" the slow flash.....Ie.. only the original designer/builder knows for sure ... I haven't tested or experimented with this on ALL models..
But once the slow flash has started, the key has to be turned off to "reset" the system ( on the 1999 c2 for sure) ...
This info is not in any Porsche Shop manual or literature... this all comes from my direct experience and testing...
The low coolant sensor/switch and the float/magnet and coolant level all simply serve to GROUND the wire from the cluster to chassis ...
I have found that the instrument cluster has a 19 second delay in starting the slow flash, I know in 1999 c2 cars, this delay is to keep from having the slow flash during slosh or very high G maneuvers when the coolant level is not actually low...I don't know for sure if the 19 second delay is on ALL models since I don't have all models at my disposal and haven't tested for this on all of them ..
All 996 models have the same sensor/switch .. wiring , float/magnet , but some "could" have a different logic built into the instrument cluster where there is no 19 second delay or a need to "set" the slow flash.....Ie.. only the original designer/builder knows for sure ... I haven't tested or experimented with this on ALL models..
But once the slow flash has started, the key has to be turned off to "reset" the system ( on the 1999 c2 for sure) ...
This info is not in any Porsche Shop manual or literature... this all comes from my direct experience and testing...
I could also try unplugging the harness, and plugging in a spare sensor without installing it under the tank, then starting the car and using a magnet to close the circuit and confirm that the light stops. If this works, I think it would prove that the issue is with the position of the magnetic float in the tank.
#17
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After the coolant tank install and verifying that the coolant was no longer leaking, I did unplug the sensor harness for a few days to stop the blinking. So I can confirm that if I unplug the harness from the coolant level sensor, the blinking does stop.
I could also try unplugging the harness, and plugging in a spare sensor without installing it under the tank, then starting the car and using a magnet to close the circuit and confirm that the light stops. If this works, I think it would prove that the issue is with the position of the magnetic float in the tank.
I could also try unplugging the harness, and plugging in a spare sensor without installing it under the tank, then starting the car and using a magnet to close the circuit and confirm that the light stops. If this works, I think it would prove that the issue is with the position of the magnetic float in the tank.
A little logical common sense along with some experience goes a looooong way ...
#18
Yes exactly !! Now you understand how the simple system works ...well almost .....the sensor/switch is normally OPEN, when you put a magnet close by the circuit CLOSES ( Grounds the circuit to chassis ).
A little logical common sense along with some experience goes a looooong way ...
A little logical common sense along with some experience goes a looooong way ...
Started the car with harness disconnected, no warning light.
Plugged in the spare coolant level sensor (loose in hand, not installed under the tank), no warning light.
Held a magnet up to the sensor, waited 19 seconds and the warning light began to slow flash.
Also, for future folks who may read this, moving the magnet away from the sensor, the flashing continues. Unplugging the spare sensor from the harness, flashing continues. Seems the low coolant flashing, once triggered, will not stop until the car is turned off.
Turned the car off.
Tried tapping on the side the tank (without removing it) to see if that might dislodge the float.
Plugged the harness back into the sensor installed under the tank and started the car, warning light flashing.
Do you recommend the next step be to remove the tank and test the float/find some way to verify if it's lodged and then dislodge it? If so, I will likely wait for cooler weather this fall and just monitor the coolant level manually until then.
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#19
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Is this an OEM Porsche coolant tank? Its extremely rare to have a float failure..
The float is the only moving part in the tank, and it is not accessible. It is built into the tank during manufacturing. I suppose you could remove the tank and turn it up-side down and hit it and maybe jar the float loose, but that wouldn't give me piece of mind that it will not stick again...
The float is the only moving part in the tank, and it is not accessible. It is built into the tank during manufacturing. I suppose you could remove the tank and turn it up-side down and hit it and maybe jar the float loose, but that wouldn't give me piece of mind that it will not stick again...
#20
Is this an OEM Porsche coolant tank? Its extremely rare to have a float failure..
The float is the only moving part in the tank, and it is not accessible. It is built into the tank during manufacturing. I suppose you could remove the tank and turn it up-side down and hit it and maybe jar the float loose, but that wouldn't give me piece of mind that it will not stick again...
The float is the only moving part in the tank, and it is not accessible. It is built into the tank during manufacturing. I suppose you could remove the tank and turn it up-side down and hit it and maybe jar the float loose, but that wouldn't give me piece of mind that it will not stick again...
#21
The Porsche tanks IS exorbitant, but having to repeat the job every year or two in order to save money with a 3rd party tank is not the best approach. I did that once and that tank lasted less than two years. I had been assured by the seller that it was exactly the same as the Porsche tank. It wasn't. That's not a mistake I'm willing to repeat.
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#22
The Porsche tanks IS exorbitant, but having to repeat the job every year or two in order to save money with a 3rd party tank is not the best approach. I did that once and that tank lasted less than two years. I had been assured by the seller that it was exactly the same as the Porsche tank. It wasn't. That's not a mistake I'm willing to repeat.
Honestly, after having gone through the process once, it was not an overly difficult or time consuming job, once I got over my stubbornness and bit the bullet and lowered the engine down to allow for space. I figure if the Mahle tank does crack and leak within a couple years and the seller will replace the part, I don't mind going through the install process again if it saves me $700. After all, one of the things I enjoy about wrenching on this car is the money I save in labor costs.
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#23
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https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...996-1-a-2.html
the 996.2 tank (much cheaper OEM) can be made to fit in the 996.1
the 996.2 tank (much cheaper OEM) can be made to fit in the 996.1
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#24
FCP Euro agreed to send me another tank to try. Wanted to run my thinking by this group and see if it makes sense. If I hold the new tank upside down, I assume gravity will cause the float mechanism to slide to the top position simulating a full tank. If I then install a second sensor in the new tank and plug the harness into it, I could then start the car and see if the warning light blinks or not. If it doesn't blink, then I could turn the tank right side up, causing the float to slide down to empty/low coolant position and see if the warning light starts to blink. If that works, then I would be confident it's the old tank and proceed with installing the new replacement tank.
If the warning light still blinks with the tank upside down (simulating full tank), then I know the issue is likely not related to the float in the current tank.
Am I overlooking anything here?
If the warning light still blinks with the tank upside down (simulating full tank), then I know the issue is likely not related to the float in the current tank.
Am I overlooking anything here?
#25
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I don't have a wiring diagram to guide me, but you can see if the float is doing the right thing using a voltmeter. If you don't have one, now is the time. Set the voltmeter to the lowest OHMS setting and touch the ends of the probe together. The meter needle should move to the opposite side from where it was, indicating a closed circuit. Now hook those leads to the tank. Tip the tank over to simulate full and the needle should move to the other side. The needle will either read closed one way and open when tipped the other direction. It may not be that simple, but that is usually the way a float works. It is either a closed or open circuit.
#26
I don't have a wiring diagram to guide me, but you can see if the float is doing the right thing using a voltmeter. If you don't have one, now is the time. Set the voltmeter to the lowest OHMS setting and touch the ends of the probe together. The meter needle should move to the opposite side from where it was, indicating a closed circuit. Now hook those leads to the tank. Tip the tank over to simulate full and the needle should move to the other side. The needle will either read closed one way and open when tipped the other direction. It may not be that simple, but that is usually the way a float works. It is either a closed or open circuit.
#27
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If I am following you correctly, you are suggesting a similar test except removing the wiring harness from the equation. Is that correct? Your method would simply test the float and the sensor's ability to read/respond accordingly to the float (magnet). As this method is an easy first step, I will do it to confirm the new tank float setup before moving to the second test (more elaborate method I mentioned, involving the harness and starting the car to check the warning light blink).
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#29
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FCP Euro agreed to send me another tank to try. Wanted to run my thinking by this group and see if it makes sense. If I hold the new tank upside down, I assume gravity will cause the float mechanism to slide to the top position simulating a full tank. If I then install a second sensor in the new tank and plug the harness into it, I could then start the car and see if the warning light blinks or not. If it doesn't blink, then I could turn the tank right side up, causing the float to slide down to empty/low coolant position and see if the warning light starts to blink. If that works, then I would be confident it's the old tank and proceed with installing the new replacement tank.
If the warning light still blinks with the tank upside down (simulating full tank), then I know the issue is likely not related to the float in the current tank.
Am I overlooking anything here?
If the warning light still blinks with the tank upside down (simulating full tank), then I know the issue is likely not related to the float in the current tank.
Am I overlooking anything here?
#30
The one thing to note here that has me scratching my head, why did it take 19 seconds for the light to come on in this last test with the new tank filled with water?
With the currently installed tank, the light comes on the second I start the car. In the first test of the new tank I ran without fluid in it (holding it upside down), if I hold it right side up (empty condition) and start the car the light came on the second I started the car. Why then, when I filled it with fluid and held it right side up, did it take 19 seconds for the light to come on?
Last edited by way2fast91; 09-27-2024 at 03:28 PM.