M96/7 in 911s instead of Mezger. Why?
02-05-2022, 11:16 AM
#46
Race Car
Don't be fooled by the engine numbers, the M96.7x and M97.7x engines are Mezger design and are unrelated to the "M96" and "M97" Carerra engines.
02-05-2022, 02:29 PM
#47
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Thread Starter
The 997.1 Turbo continued to use the Mezger-design engine with refinements. The 997.2 Turbo went to a clean slate engine. The 997 GT cars: 997 GT2 and 997 GT3 used Mezger design engines until the end.
Don't be fooled by the engine numbers, the M96.7x and M97.7x engines are Mezger design and are unrelated to the "M96" and "M97" Carerra engines.
Don't be fooled by the engine numbers, the M96.7x and M97.7x engines are Mezger design and are unrelated to the "M96" and "M97" Carerra engines.
2. If a turbo has the engine designation of M96/70, what engine is it?
02-05-2022, 02:29 PM
#48
I haven’t drove a Mezger, but I have never been driving my M96 or previous 9A1 and thought that I wished it was something else. I’m sure the Mezger is outstanding, but the M96 is a great engine that fits great in the non-turbo / non-GT 996’s. Brings a smile to my face on every drive.
02-05-2022, 03:19 PM
#49
Race Car
The internal engine code for the 996 Mezger engine is M96.70. When people refer to the "M96" engine they typically mean the M96.0x series. It's basically a meaningless code number. The M96.70 Mezger engine is not related to the Carerra M96.01 engine and shares no parts with the M96.01.
02-05-2022, 05:03 PM
#50
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I think what RegularGuy is asking, is this: if it costs $100M to develop a premium engine and only $15M to develop a lesser engine, why not just use the $100M engine and drop the secondary engine, thus saving a few nickels. And if volume increases, costs should drop.
I suspect one reason why is because it’s not just development costs, but also production costs. As Elon explained in a recent podcast, if the raw materials cost or other fixed costs don’t decrease for some components, then no amount of volume or consolidation would result in any cost savings.
I suspect one reason why is because it’s not just development costs, but also production costs. As Elon explained in a recent podcast, if the raw materials cost or other fixed costs don’t decrease for some components, then no amount of volume or consolidation would result in any cost savings.
02-05-2022, 06:24 PM
#52
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not sure i understand. Chevy positioned the ls as a premium in their high performance cars with lesser motors at a better price point. Chevy is actually doing it this year with the zo6. The c8 gets a screaming dohc biturbo thats 100% different then the lt motors in the base. The zo6 comes with a premium price.
this is the same thing that porsche did with the mezger. They provided the mezger at a premuum to anyone that had the cash until 2012. At that point the enviromenral issues with the nickasil piston coating and inability to meet emissions standards forced it out. Porsche knew the motor did not have a long term future due to regulations and ecconomics.
if your point us why didnt they develop s better motor then the mezger.....its simple, they didnt have the capitol. They needed to sell cars first, build capitol and develop the motor over time.
this is the same thing that porsche did with the mezger. They provided the mezger at a premuum to anyone that had the cash until 2012. At that point the enviromenral issues with the nickasil piston coating and inability to meet emissions standards forced it out. Porsche knew the motor did not have a long term future due to regulations and ecconomics.
if your point us why didnt they develop s better motor then the mezger.....its simple, they didnt have the capitol. They needed to sell cars first, build capitol and develop the motor over time.