996 - Will it Always be the Cheapest 911?
02-07-2022 | 08:25 PM
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Thats a fair point, but you got to admit, they solved most of the issues. I think we all would take some bore scoring over the M96 catastrophic failures of the M96.
02-07-2022 | 08:27 PM
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No.
The M96 motor suffers from many ailments other than the IMSB failure and we all know it. Bore scoring as you mentioned, cylinder ovaling, cracked heads, D-chunking, chain guides, etc. We have to be honest here, the M96 was a disaster of a design. The 9A1 in the 997.2 was a solid design and will hold their values up well unlike the M96/97 motors which will always be the achilleas heal of the car. Think about how often we see grenaded motors here. They pop up all the time regularly.
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The M96 motor suffers from many ailments other than the IMSB failure and we all know it. Bore scoring as you mentioned, cylinder ovaling, cracked heads, D-chunking, chain guides, etc. We have to be honest here, the M96 was a disaster of a design. The 9A1 in the 997.2 was a solid design and will hold their values up well unlike the M96/97 motors which will always be the achilleas heal of the car. Think about how often we see grenaded motors here. They pop up all the time regularly.
02-07-2022 | 08:37 PM
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Nothing much to talk about. I sold mine 6ish years ago and got a turbo and never looked back. I never trusted the motor and always was a bit anxious when I started it up for the day. I broke even on the car and life has been good ever since! 
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02-07-2022 | 08:43 PM
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But no need to beat up the M96. You have no skin in the game. Nor any reason to participate in the thread unless you can add some value.
02-07-2022 | 08:51 PM
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Notwithstanding how much criticism the M96/97 engines gets, is it safe to assume that engine design(s) has seen more actual driving miles than any other Porsche engine in history, just based on how many cars produced?
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02-07-2022 | 09:06 PM
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Yep, they all have issues. 991 and 992 "throw away" engine program is alive and well.
One thing everyone needs to take into consideration is the technological mess we have with the new cars. The simplicity of the 996 is such that it isn't a techno box of confusion. All and I mean all of the issues have been defined and can be easily prevented with bolt on solutions. Unless you haven't taken car of your bores or you bought a car with borescoring, you got nothing to worry about as long as you properly service and maintain it. All we are waiting on are two more inventions that will be release soon. (1) UIDS and (2) LN Oil cooler.
In contrast, we don't even know yet what the 991 and 992 will truly suffer from. And who the he'll knows what the eventual cost will be for all the solutions that will need to be developed. As such, they will follow the standard depreciation model that all 911s before them.
Folks, the 996 has been there and done that. Every issue has been defined, every preventative solution has been discussed and has been manufactured or in the process of being manufactured now. Couldn't ask for a better situation.
Hello!
One thing everyone needs to take into consideration is the technological mess we have with the new cars. The simplicity of the 996 is such that it isn't a techno box of confusion. All and I mean all of the issues have been defined and can be easily prevented with bolt on solutions. Unless you haven't taken car of your bores or you bought a car with borescoring, you got nothing to worry about as long as you properly service and maintain it. All we are waiting on are two more inventions that will be release soon. (1) UIDS and (2) LN Oil cooler.
In contrast, we don't even know yet what the 991 and 992 will truly suffer from. And who the he'll knows what the eventual cost will be for all the solutions that will need to be developed. As such, they will follow the standard depreciation model that all 911s before them.
Folks, the 996 has been there and done that. Every issue has been defined, every preventative solution has been discussed and has been manufactured or in the process of being manufactured now. Couldn't ask for a better situation.
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02-07-2022 | 09:10 PM
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Great car! Most important thing is that you have the car you want. I have had 996.2 for 20 years and never had any problems with it on or off the track. We all swim out at far as we are comfortable.
But no need to beat up the M96. You have no skin in the game. Nor any reason to participate in the thread unless you can add some value.
But no need to beat up the M96. You have no skin in the game. Nor any reason to participate in the thread unless you can add some value.
02-07-2022 | 09:11 PM
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I think the variable with these Porsche engines we give such little credence to is how inconsistently they are driven. Some of these things get passed 3-4x and only have 35,000 miles on them and nothing but issues when they're turned on. Some of them have 1-2 daily driven owners and over 100,000 miles and the owners come in here like "oh no I never changed my IMSB..." Something that gets parroted in this forum from time to time but is not repeated often enough is - the ailments of these cars seem to magically disappear when they are frequently driven hard.
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02-07-2022 | 09:34 PM
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Everyone keep thinking this. Keep trashing your 996. Keep not changing the oil. Keep blowing up the engines. Mine will soon be more vaulable than a 991 GT3. It's all a numbers game with 911. And always will be.
02-07-2022 | 09:34 PM
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My 03 4s had 21k miles when purchased in 2019, only 8.5k in the prior 11 years. I've driven it hard for 36k miles in just under 3 years and it performs as designed, everytime! Why anyone would buy one and let it sit and sit and sit is beyond my understanding. When I add the 9k miles I've put on my 997.2, I have 45,000 miles of smiles in 3 years.....and they've both gone up in value, at least enough to cover all the expenses incurred to date.
02-07-2022 | 11:07 PM
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No.
The M96 motor suffers from many ailments other than the IMSB failure and we all know it. Bore scoring as you mentioned, cylinder ovaling, cracked heads, D-chunking, chain guides, etc. We have to be honest here, the M96 was a disaster of a design. The 9A1 in the 997.2 was a solid design and will hold their values up well unlike the M96/97 motors which will always be the achilleas heal of the car. Think about how often we see grenaded motors here. They pop up all the time regularly.
No.
The M96 motor suffers from many ailments other than the IMSB failure and we all know it. Bore scoring as you mentioned, cylinder ovaling, cracked heads, D-chunking, chain guides, etc. We have to be honest here, the M96 was a disaster of a design. The 9A1 in the 997.2 was a solid design and will hold their values up well unlike the M96/97 motors which will always be the achilleas heal of the car. Think about how often we see grenaded motors here. They pop up all the time regularly.
02-07-2022 | 11:56 PM
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Yeah but for owners now it makes more financial sense to rebuild their engines so fortunately the 996 can live forever. A rebuilt engine in a weekend car means eternity.
As soon enough, they will be retired from daily driving duties and track duty and become garage queens just like any other collectible classic car.
As soon enough, they will be retired from daily driving duties and track duty and become garage queens just like any other collectible classic car.
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02-08-2022 | 12:02 AM
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What the he'll are they thinking...