Coilovers... Are You Doing it Wrong?
#46
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These two links should help you, with your kit came the spanner wrench and dampening tool for adjustments.
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...et-REVISED.pdf
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...de-REVISED.pdf
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...et-REVISED.pdf
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...de-REVISED.pdf
Last edited by JohnCA58; 07-16-2022 at 12:55 PM.
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#47
Instructor
These two links should help you
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...et-REVISED.pdf
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...de-REVISED.pdf
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...et-REVISED.pdf
http://fealsuspension.com/wp-content...de-REVISED.pdf
#48
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You won't see anything visual, the tool will go the the hollow stem at the top of the coil overs for adjustments, the **** is built into the tool. depending being a coupe or cabriolet, on a cab the rear cover must be removed to gain access, haven't done coupe yet so can't help there.
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#50
Burning Brakes
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#51
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I finally got around to adjusting the FEAL coilovers. I just want to thank @barbancourt and the people contributing to the information in this thread. This has been a great learning and extremely helpful insight. That being said, .... WOW!! What a f****** difference! I was originally set at 10, and thought the road was terribly harsh that would send shockwaves through the entire body. So I went to 5 all-around and the car road softer, but, was also bouncing around a lot. I have now started off with setting the coilovers to 20F and 23R and I can only agree with previous posters, holy sh**, this has been a transformation. The ride comfort is much better than before AND the vehicle handles so much better.
I have no idea how this is possible given the language and symbolism on the coilovers of "Stiffness + / -", because going "+" does not "increase" stiffness of the ride, therefore making it harsher. So here is my purely speculative hypothesis, and I'm hoping a suspension expert can chime in: I think the "stiffness +/-" setting is a reference to the springs in the coilovers, not the damping or shock body. And even then it's still counterintuitive, because stiffer springs should yield harsher ride? No. I think stiffer springs in a coilover increases the "travel and energy" the spring has to "expand" and therefore moving along imperfections in the road more smoothly. Just a thought.
Either way, FEAL coilovers are amazing and car rides greater than ever.
I have no idea how this is possible given the language and symbolism on the coilovers of "Stiffness + / -", because going "+" does not "increase" stiffness of the ride, therefore making it harsher. So here is my purely speculative hypothesis, and I'm hoping a suspension expert can chime in: I think the "stiffness +/-" setting is a reference to the springs in the coilovers, not the damping or shock body. And even then it's still counterintuitive, because stiffer springs should yield harsher ride? No. I think stiffer springs in a coilover increases the "travel and energy" the spring has to "expand" and therefore moving along imperfections in the road more smoothly. Just a thought.
Either way, FEAL coilovers are amazing and car rides greater than ever.
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#52
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I finally got around to adjusting the FEAL coilovers. I just want to thank @barbancourt and the people contributing to the information in this thread. This has been a great learning and extremely helpful insight. That being said, .... WOW!! What a f****** difference! I was originally set at 10, and thought the road was terribly harsh that would send shockwaves through the entire body. So I went to 5 all-around and the car road softer, but, was also bouncing around a lot. I have now started off with setting the coilovers to 20F and 23R and I can only agree with previous posters, holy sh**, this has been a transformation. The ride comfort is much better than before AND the vehicle handles so much better.
I have no idea how this is possible given the language and symbolism on the coilovers of "Stiffness + / -", because going "+" does not "increase" stiffness of the ride, therefore making it harsher. So here is my purely speculative hypothesis, and I'm hoping a suspension expert can chime in: I think the "stiffness +/-" setting is a reference to the springs in the coilovers, not the damping or shock body. And even then it's still counterintuitive, because stiffer springs should yield harsher ride? No. I think stiffer springs in a coilover increases the "travel and energy" the spring has to "expand" and therefore moving along imperfections in the road more smoothly. Just a thought.
Either way, FEAL coilovers are amazing and car rides greater than ever.
I have no idea how this is possible given the language and symbolism on the coilovers of "Stiffness + / -", because going "+" does not "increase" stiffness of the ride, therefore making it harsher. So here is my purely speculative hypothesis, and I'm hoping a suspension expert can chime in: I think the "stiffness +/-" setting is a reference to the springs in the coilovers, not the damping or shock body. And even then it's still counterintuitive, because stiffer springs should yield harsher ride? No. I think stiffer springs in a coilover increases the "travel and energy" the spring has to "expand" and therefore moving along imperfections in the road more smoothly. Just a thought.
Either way, FEAL coilovers are amazing and car rides greater than ever.
#53
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I find it somewhat confusing that FEAL can’t write instructions on how to adjust their coil overs???
#54
Burning Brakes
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#55
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^^^ Then why all the confusion? ^^^ seems weird…🤔
#56
Instructor
I think the instructions are somewhat okay, although they could be written in more detail and with more picture material. The YouTube videos on the 996 specific coilovers from FEAL aren't super easy to find (as well as the different types, since adjustments change with the type you got).
The main point however is that FEAL does not give enough detail and explanation around how the different settings affect the car behavior and there is a huge gap of giving people more knowledge here, as every coilover reacts slightly differently. For the FEAL, it isn't clear at all that "less stiff" means "more harsh on road" or "more stiff" means "less harsh at high speeds, still harsh at low speeds".
Personally, I find particularly my rear coilovers to be particularly hard to dial in. While the fronts at 20 are marvelous both in city and highway driving, the rear still bangs pretty hard in city driving when set at 23. Going to 15 made it softer in the city but harsher at higher speeds. Going stiffer did the inverse... very tricky. I wish I knew more about what experts are looking for when they dial these things in for example for track use. How do you determine based on the road condition how much to turn the dial? There must be some science behind this.
The main point however is that FEAL does not give enough detail and explanation around how the different settings affect the car behavior and there is a huge gap of giving people more knowledge here, as every coilover reacts slightly differently. For the FEAL, it isn't clear at all that "less stiff" means "more harsh on road" or "more stiff" means "less harsh at high speeds, still harsh at low speeds".
Personally, I find particularly my rear coilovers to be particularly hard to dial in. While the fronts at 20 are marvelous both in city and highway driving, the rear still bangs pretty hard in city driving when set at 23. Going to 15 made it softer in the city but harsher at higher speeds. Going stiffer did the inverse... very tricky. I wish I knew more about what experts are looking for when they dial these things in for example for track use. How do you determine based on the road condition how much to turn the dial? There must be some science behind this.
#57
Drifting
I think the trick is finding the correct ratio between front and rear dampers. I think this is different for our cars because of how the weight is distributed. I'm running Ohlins on my car but what I did was a lot of trial and error. I have a crappy bumpy city road that I used for testing as well as a nice backroad that has a good amount of bumps and undulations. I drove them a number of times and made adjustments accordingly. I have my dampers set on the softer side and I'm quite happy with the set up for daily use. This is all highly subjective but I do agree that there should be some ranges provided. Ohlins kind of does this in their instructions but it still requires some trial and error IMHO. Another thing to keep in mind is that coilovers will most likely always be on the stiffer side - no matter what. It's all about having proper expectations.
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#59
Burning Brakes
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The main point however is that FEAL does not give enough detail and explanation around how the different settings affect the car behavior and there is a huge gap of giving people more knowledge here, as every coilover reacts slightly differently. For the FEAL, it isn't clear at all that "less stiff" means "more harsh on road" or "more stiff" means "less harsh at high speeds, still harsh at low speeds".
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JohnCA58 (07-21-2022)
#60
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I'm not sure if it relates but I recently put Koni Yellows on my car, which are adjustable. I left them at the softest setting, then later went to "+" (1/2 turn). The wheel control AND ride quality actually got better, just like the experience of the Feal folks here. I recently went up another half turn and, sure enough, ride quality is at least as good and there is less unwanted motion when matters get curvy. In short I'm experiencing a similar ah-ha moment. In fact this thread is what motivated me to crank them up.