Nick_L

Sad to hear. Have you modified the car anything(air filter, ECU etc)? have you done oil/filter service before the 10,000miles every time?
Do you have any clue/idea why your car have suffered from it?

cdk4219

They are all throw away cars when this happens. Junk!

dporto

Junk! 🤣 Only in America...🙄 $50-$80k for a “throwaway” car... Wow! This just blows my mind. Do you think some people have more $ than brains (no knock on OP)... I just don’t get it...

Argeo

Now I thought I heard here that possibly part of the reason this problem occurs besides that our cars being "Environmentally Friendly", the connecting rods are too short. Is that the case here?

I just wonder that if both are so flawed, why would Porsche keep going with it now their reputation is built on quality. They can't be that dumbed.

808Bill

Other brands have the scoring issue too.

Argeo

Yup, so is more likely just the material of the cylinders and not the shortness of the rods?

wildbilly32

Might just be the way the video was edited but the tech went right to the boroscope on the ticking and didn't even "think" valve train. Wonder why... Good lesson for those with ticking 996's that come here with hopes of lifter problems.

Charles Navarro

I've seen this before. It's the same as Panamera and Cayenne. Any engine with Alusil bores can suffer the same fate. Long drain intervals, fuel dilution of the oil, injetors with poor spray patterns or leakage all can contribute to scoring like on the M96 engine. We've had people send us blocks blindly without contacting us and once we tell them how much it's going to cost, they just tell is to junk the block. I'm pretty sure most of them have gone home to employees to make coffee tables.

I put out a newsletter and shared it on FB and the forums about this last year:

https://conta.cc/342xq77

Long story short, use an oil with more moly in it and change it more often. There have been countless threads about LM Ceratec and there is some credence to that based on the available research. Adding Ceratec to an A40 oil will get you about 300 ppm Moly, so about the same as running Driven's DI40 or DT40.

cdk4219

$25,000 plus to fix a 76,000 mile car that’s probably worth $26,000, and probably will need lots of maintenance, yes Junk

Argeo

What does "Long Drain intervals mean? Draining the oil out during oil changes?

Thanks Charles for the insight.

pszikla

Bone stock, and I have never actually driven it hard. The wife uses it as her daily to go to work and back and does not
like to speed as it scares her. So if anything the car has been gently driven since we took delivery of it.
Usual maintenance work.
As an aside, I was really surprised at around 60k miles that all the wheel bearings were shot and needed replacement.
Not a great reliability experience with this car.

Argeo

Ah, long time between oil draining intervals. Not how long I am draining the oil. Me get it now.

Charles Navarro

The factory drain intervals have varied over the years, but I believe it's at 12,000 miles or one year. It really shouldn't be more than 5,000 miles or 6 months, but if the car is driven in the winter or short drives, probably should be done every 3 months or 3,000 miles tops.

NuttyProfessor

I prefer to use the word "disposable". It's an unfortunate sign of the times. My parents came out of the depression and appreciated everything they were able to purchase with their limited funds. Things like simple appliances were considered a luxury and were repaired instead of disposed and replaced. It seemed like a cultural thing to do back then; but today, most people in the U.S. throw away more than they keep.

Personally, people won't value Porsche SUVs or Crossovers, like they do the 911. The 911 represents what's left of the original Porsche DNA. Therefore, people place value in that respect alone. They won't be putting the modern Cayenne or Macan in a cooled storage unit anytime soon. These cars represent the corporate executives answer for survival. In the past, Porsche looked for ways to add power or technical innovation in their sports cars offerings, but somewhere in the last 20 years, SUVs have been the answer to keep the boat afloat. Just look at Lamborghini. You think the Urus is going to be a highly collectable car?

The Cayenne SUV or other family friendly vehicles in the Porsche lineup will suffer the same fate as others European sports car manufacturers when they past their factory warranties. And, unless they can figure out how to sell to the next generations of 911 drivers, they may lose their precious following that are willing to cough up 6 figures for these cars. The last time I looked at the analytics, the majority of 911 owners are in the range of 45 - 55.

Porschetech3

Macan is more V/W than Porsche, same as with Panamera and Cayenne. Ever since V/w took over Porsche those cars are heavily V/W based.

I retired from Porsche before I had gone to Macan training, but from previous training on Panamara and Cayenne, the Cayenne 6cyl was V/w as was the Panamera 3.0.... The Panamera 3.6 and V8 and Cayenne V8 were Porsche engines. But they all used Alusil cylinders. They all know nikasil is the best for cylinders, but is too expensive for high volume production therefore they all use Alusil.

V/W sells 60 times more cars than Porsche.

it's simple, high tech/high performance German engineering = high failure rate

The 996/986 saved Porsche from bankruptcy, but the new found wealth from 986/996 also was responsible for the "nail in the coffin" for Porsche as an independent carmaker. The wealth from sales of 996/986 was leveraged for loans in a plan to buy control of V/W group (over 75%) in 2005. But by 2008 (midway of the 997 model)the plan failed just short of the 75% and Porsche collapsed into the arms of V/W Group, never to an independent carmaker again.

So, everyone who has been speculating on whether the 996 will ever be collectable, I think it will definitely go down in History for being the last sports car model of the "independent Porsche Company".