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Old 01-31-2020, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hitthecones
A few fun facts (then we can throw in conjecture):

Porsche imported about 51K 996s from 2000 - 2004 (sorry, not sure on 99s).

Of those, a full 72% are still registered for road use in the U.S. today.

That is an incredibly high number relative to most anything else sold.

Thus, do we really believe that both major problems are affecting the majority of the 37K+ 996s out there today? Just thinking about probabilities...
No way Jose

Old 01-31-2020, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hitthecones
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Of those, a full 72% are still registered for road use in the U.S. today.
Where did you get this statistic?
Old 01-31-2020, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by billh1963
Take a chance and buy one with a PPI or take a slightly lesser chance and buy one with a PPI. In either case, you are playing against the house.
Think you meant "Take a chance and buy one without a PPI"?

I agree, regardless of the Porsche, house always rules especially with the 996.
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
Where did you get this statistic?
There are numerous databases that contain registration or vehicle in operation data...

The number above represents all 2000-2004 996s that are currently registered somewhere in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
Where did you get this statistic?
72% of "statistics" are made up.
Old 01-31-2020, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott at Team Harco
72% of "statistics" are made up.
That may be true, but that stat is most certainly not made up.

Now let’s guess what portion of the 37K+ remaining cars have...

-Replaced engines
-Rebuilt engines
-Replaced IMSBs

...or how many owners even know of these two issues.
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Originally Posted by 996.2
Porsche knows but won't release because would damage their reputation.
In the corporate world, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ignorance is bliss.

Originally Posted by 996.2
Jake Raby or Barry Hart could give good estimates, but most forum regular posters want to be Thread Sheriffs, Troll Chasers, or talk about KY Jelly rather than ask them.
Haven't seen much statistics come from Baz on the forums, but Jake Raby did say on his Bore Scoring series, that more than 80% of the cars that come to Flat 6 Innovations are being "reconstructed" due to cylinder bore scoring.


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Originally Posted by hitthecones
There are numerous databases that contain registration or vehicle in operation data...

The number above represents all 2000-2004 996s that are currently registered somewhere in the U.S.
That doesn't answer my question. Where did YOU get this 72% statistic???
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Originally Posted by hitthecones
There are numerous databases that contain registration or vehicle in operation data...

The number above represents all 2000-2004 996s that are currently registered somewhere in the U.S.
Would you care to share a link to just one of these databases?

And yes - even if true, it doesn't tell the whole story. As you mention above, how many are on their second (third) engine, etc? Having a high percentage still registered tells a lot about the desire to keep the car on the road. It doesn't say anything about how long the engine will last, how many miles are accumulated (max, min, avg, etc.), nor how many have been totaled and will never be used again.

I am going to say 95% of 1999 models are still on the road. I have it on good authority that that is the best year for the 996. There are plenty of databases to support this...
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Originally Posted by Scott at Team Harco
it doesn't tell the whole story.
Here's one for you...

6 out of 10 people suffer from diarrhea. What does that mean? 4 enjoy it.
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You guys are a riot...

IHS Catalyst (Markit) and Experian capture this.
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Just start replacing perfectly good parts and forget logic and reason

Sooner or later the 51 modes of failure will bite you (quoting an expert of course)

It is only a matter of when, not if

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Originally Posted by 996AE
Just start replacing perfectly good parts and forget logic and reason

Sooner or later the 51 modes of failure will bite you (quoting an expert of course)

It is only a matter of when, not if
I think that you may have arrived at my point in posting a few stats...
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
Here's one for you...

6 out of 10 people suffer from diarrhea. What does that mean? 4 enjoy it.
It mean perhaps they ate some bad lettuce in the last 4 - 12 hrs...
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There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics....


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