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Old 11-22-2019 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 808Bill
Take your time and crunch the numbers. The "sharks" will be waiting!

I truly am sorry to see anyone go through this, I'd be devastated!
Two more reports in the last 24 hours, and one of those has no desire to repair the engine.
Old 11-22-2019 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
it would be highly unethical to do so without divulging the background/diagnosis.

This happens every 2-3 weeks...
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So, in a year there are 26 bore-scored engines in a field of 175,000 Porsche 996. While that is devastating to the 26 owners, the percentage is actually quite low as a whole. Compare that to every 911 with magnesium case to 911sc needing head stud replacement.

We enthusiast crowd on this chat board keeps forgetting that.
Old 11-22-2019 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by yelcab
So, in a year there are 26 bore-scored engines in a field of 175,000 Porsche 996. While that is devastating to the 26 owners, the percentage is actually quite low as a whole. Compare that to every 911 with magnesium case to 911sc needing head stud replacement.

We enthusiast crowd on this chat board keeps forgetting that.
Most people that report to us, or even deal with us never come onto these forums.. They've never heard of bore scoring till it happens, and then it is often misdiagnosed as a lifter before they figure out the real story.

I currently have 57 engines on our build board, that have executed proposals in place, with confirmed completion times. 40 of those have bore scoring, the rest have some other failure, or they are elective builds. That's the only fact I can give you.
We are maxed out, and not accepting more builds, and have 4 names on the wait list. I'll probably open it back up for a couple of builds in early December, if we get some vehicles shipped as planned.

You can talk about numbers, ratios, and percentages all damn day long, and none of them matter until YOU have the decision to make, and you have the issue. Think whatever you have to think to feel better about this scenario, and the potential of having to face it yourself. At the end of the day these cars are worth saving, and bore scoring is the BEST failure that one can have.

Remember, when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at will also change. Bore scoring can be an opportunity to create something that's a lot better than it ever was before.
Old 11-22-2019 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by yelcab
So, in a year there are 26 bore-scored engines in a field of 175,000 Porsche 996. While that is devastating to the 26 owners, the percentage is actually quite low as a whole. Compare that to every 911 with magnesium case to 911sc needing head stud replacement.

We enthusiast crowd on this chat board keeps forgetting that.
26 known issues this year by one rebuilder. How many of those 175K cars are still on the road? It's far worse that you think!
Old 11-22-2019 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 808Bill
26 known issues this year by one rebuilder. How many of those 175K cars are still on the road? It's far worse that you think!
I don't think there are ten Jake Raby in the US. Even if there were, that is still only 200 engines per year.

My personal 997 has 92,000 miles on it. It has the occasion flat six smoke at start up. My wife drives it everyday. If and when it has bore scoring, I will get a Porsche short block and drive it another 100 kmiles before I bury the car. Or maybe I will send the new liners out to get them Nikasil plated, put in new rings, new bearings, valve job, and drive it another 100k miles.

The Dilavar studs did not keep me from buying and enjoying my 911SC, the bore-scoring thing is not going to stop me from owning and driving a Porsche 997.
Old 11-22-2019 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by yelcab
I don't think there are ten Jake Raby in the US. Even if there were, that is still only 200 engines per year..
There are way more than 10 guys out there "rebuilding" Porsche engines in the US. Most of them do it poorly and are being put in cars that car flippers "fix" and resell.

The bore-scoring issue is not a reason not to enjoy the car. It is a reason to operate the car properly to minimize its appearance.
Old 11-22-2019 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by marlinspike
The bore-scoring issue is not a reason not to enjoy the car. It is a reason to operate the car properly to minimize its appearance.
I think you meant, "... to minimize it's disappearance"?
Old 11-22-2019 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NuttyProfessor
I think you meant, "... to minimize it's disappearance"?
I meant to minimize the appearance of scoring not of the cars
Old 11-22-2019 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by marlinspike
There are way more than 10 guys out there "rebuilding" Porsche engines in the US. Most of them do it poorly and are being put in cars that car flippers "fix" and resell.

The bore-scoring issue is not a reason not to enjoy the car. It is a reason to operate the car properly to minimize its appearance.
I bet Jake hears about a tiny percentage of the M9x engines that fail.
Most people will take it to a local mechanic, and will never even hear about Jake.
Jake doesn't advertise in order to let everyone know about him.
His advertising is primarily word of mouth.(or from a few small forums)
Jake has trained a bunch of people how to rebuild M9x engines.
But unfortunately the majority of people rebuilding M9x engines have not had his training.

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Originally Posted by Jaycote
Coop, sorry about that! That's actually my other car...I was looking at the wrong VIN

Correct VIN = WP0AA2993YS621845

If you find any info on it, could you send it to me? I'm curious about the build sheet myself. Thanks!
By getting the vin# I was trying to figure out "if" it was part of the (expired) Porsche settlement.....just out of curiosity...to see "how far" it was among the vin# and engine serial # disclosed in the settlement...or if the replacement engine is/was a double row IMs

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Old 11-22-2019 | 04:28 PM
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"Jake doesn't advertise in order to let everyone know about him."

I guess you don't read Panorama (PCA Magazine)... Nothing wrong with advertising either - especially when it's tasteful and properly targeted.
Old 11-22-2019 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dporto
"Jake doesn't advertise in order to let everyone know about him."

I guess you don't read Panorama (PCA Magazine)... Nothing wrong with advertising either - especially when it's tasteful and properly targeted.
I get Panorama, but it rarely ever makes it out of the plastic wrapper.
I rarely get a chance to read it.
I don't remember seeing an ad for FSI in it the few times I've looked at it.
Next time I read it I'll keep an eye out for the ad.
He probably doesn't need to advertise there; FSI doesn't seem to have a problem attracting more business than they need to have.

Old 11-22-2019 | 05:54 PM
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Those ads are part of a PCA sponsorship.
They are being changed to only cover the new M9X engine rebuild video series, now that it is ready to sell.

I don't open Pano either, or any other magazine.. They just come in, and go on a shelf in their plastic wrapper.
Old 11-22-2019 | 06:02 PM
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Not to mention the 1000's that had factory replacement dating back to the early days.
Old 11-22-2019 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 808Bill
Not to mention the 1000's that had factory replacement dating back to the early days.
Or the ones that had an IMSB failure while the cylinders were scoring...


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