We tried to tell you to take the car back and get your money back, and you tried to let the dealer make it right, but they weren’t able to do it right.

I would still insist on taking the car back. How big is this dealer? I have to tell you, I really cannot stand most small used car dealerships. The margins are so tight that there often bottom of the barrel people working them. A larger dealership could probably afford to take a $10k hit like this, or put the car back at auction, since they probably paid $11-$13k for the car in the first place. Why should you be stuck with a huge loss?

I agree, you are morally and legally obligated to disclose this issue to anyone you sell to. Karma is real and will come back if you don’t. I’ve been lied to when I bought a car so many times that I will never do that to another human being.

Regardless, the dealer taking the car back isn’t so far fetched. Will they lose money on this car? Surely. However, they get special rates for mechanic work, and like I said, they paid a lot less for the car than you did. If they are so insistent on this being a good car, they can drive it themselves as a company car.

 

Sorry that you are the one to get stuck dealing with a car that is F%#ked - it has happened to me as well

 

I think this is right even though you have owned the car for a few months , you took it back with a problem quite soon after you purchased it , giving the dealer the opportunity to put things right but they haven't and most of that $2300 warranty money will have gone on labour at full shop rate, when dealers need to pull on insurance to do a repair job it should all be at cost price with no profit involved , parts at the same price as the garage gets them and the hourly rate of the mechanic repairing your car, currently the dealer will have profited from the original sale, profited from parts used and profited on the hourly rate from the mechanic as it will be charged through as a set rate taking into account normal business operation for the shop, wages, back office , etc but here the profit has been made when he sold you that broken car, surely if it was fixed at cost price more could be done , at the moment he's made money on the car and probably the half arsed repair job aswel, I would have the cylinders bore scoped at a porsche specialist , sounds like that mechanic saw something he didn't like with cylinder 4 also the stuff they used to seal the cooling system is like a liquid gasket and is not a proper fix, these engines don't have gasket failures but if it got hot it could have warped the heads causing a failure which appears like gasket failure on stripdown, that liquid glass stuff might hold for a while but it will fail and probably cause more damage , i really feel for you here and maybe you can seek advice on your legal rights, if it was me I'd take it back throw the keys over the desk and say I'm not moving till I get my money back then sit there all day if necessary , if they don't come round , say you will visit the dealership every week end until the give you your money back , don't get drawn in to any more repairs from them , just say you have lost confidence with their ability and you want your money back period!!

 

All I can add is I will never buy a used P-product anywhere but R-list Marketplace or Panorama classifieds.

I don’t even trust my local Porsche dealership for a used car...

TC

 

Wait, what happened to the new/used motor?
I'm sorry but I saw this coming a mile away! Spend a few buck now, and talk to an attorney with a timeline of everything that has happened . Have him write a letter demanding a full refund and return the car.
I'd handle things very differently (I'm old school) and will refrain from giving you my personal approach...

 

What ended up happening, Jonathan?

 

Poor guy was asking about used motor options a month ago. Not sure if he ever found one.

 

https://www.escrow.com/cars

I have never used an escrow service for a vehicle - but I've also never had any issues with the title documentation before. I suggested it only as a way to ensure peace of mind given your concerns. It's probably overkill, but potentially useful.

 

I enjoy a good thread drift every once in awhile...

 

Hey Guys,

I'm still driving the thing sparingly.

I filed a claim against the dealer with the WA State Attorney General and nothing really came of it, the dealer said sorry and sent me a check for $100. I called a lawyer that deals with a lot of cars here in the Seattle area and he said proving fraud is nearly impossible and proving that they knew the extent of the damage to the car prior to selling it is also hard, which also leaves me liable for all the lawyers fees if I were to lose and due to that the Lawyer said sorry but he wouldn't take it on. So that at least sealed the deal and I could move forward.

So I have been taking care of the thing, I changed the oil a little scared to see the result and I am flushing the coolant currently. I took the 911 to a really cool rent a lift garage here in Kirkland, WA https://stewsgarage.com/ and changed the oil without issue, it looked good. Draining the coolant went much better than I expected. I thought nothing but sludge was going to slide out of the car obviously showing impending engine failure but what I found was all of the coolant was still clear and looking more normal than not and only the stuff coming out of the reservoir tank was sludgy. Refilling that damn car with coolant was a nightmare, the bleeder valve top was broken and couldn't be left open to bleed, also the cap was no longer holding and would give out if the car got up to 190. Parts ordered and the car took 2.5 gallons of additional coolant in but the damn thing would overheat in traffic until this past week. It hasn't taken any water in a couple weeks. The fun part was I'm running a coolant flush detergent that I need to drain and refill all over again soon. It says to be ran for 6-8 hours, I will say the heat works a ton better already. Small victories.

I have still been too scared to call a couple independents to see if doing a new sleeve is possible, or maybe a new half case. The right bank does make a ticking noise on startup, I'm hoping it's just that 1 cracking problem on the #4 cylinder sleeve.

If I had a garage I would consider pulling the motor and pulling it apart and shipping the half case off to a machine shop able to replace it, but I don't.

 

So sorry...Don't cash that check.

 

Not trying to add insult to injury, but now you have a ticking sound on top of the intermix issue which is screaming cylinder bore scoring. Of course, I would advise you to not drive the car unless you've come to terms with it's utter demise. You got the shaft from this dealer, no doubt about it. The $100 dollar check was just hush money. I think everyone can learn from this situation. So many people rush out to buy their Porsche dream car only to find it becomes a nightmare. You should really take a hard look at the next steps. If I were in your shoes, I'd sell it with full disclosure and move on with my life and wash my hands of this whole nasty situation.

 

All I can say is - Next time you buy a car, do a little research first. Had you come here prior to your purchase, I'm pretty sure you'd have gotten advice that was heavily weighted toward passing on that car. Unfortunately, you're now in for a very expensive "ride" most likely followed by you dumping it on some unsuspecting buyer (much like yourself) or selling it as a roller...

 

Man, that really sucks. Maybe there’s a specialist you can find somewhere far away that can address it and do a great job for a decent price. The 996 short blocks or a used engine might be had for $5k. I would be on the lookout for something like that.

 

I'm not a lawyer, but played an investigator in a past life. You may have provided the evidence you need further up.

read the middle paragraph of your response from my screenshot, and then read it again, slowly. The dealership had already diagnosed a problem involving some sort of coolant leak and were hesitant to let you take it for a test drive. They finally relented and then allowed you to buy it. They may have had prior knowledge of the damage.

Once again, I'm not a lawyer and not offering you legal advice. If you take this information to a lawyer they can offer you a legal opinion of the information.

I wish you the best.