Mk1 vs Mk2
07-30-2018, 12:00 PM
#32
Burning Brakes
Based on the many threads I have read on this site over the past year and a half, it appears that having cables for the frunk and engine lid on Mk1 cars versus the electric solenoids on the Mk2 cars is enough to make the Mk1 more desirable!
I would also add to the list of differences that the Mk1 3.4 engines appear to be more prone to cracked heads due to differences in head cooling between the 3.4 and 3.6. The Mk2 3.6 engines appear to be more prone to bore scoring and D-chunk (where a "D" shaped piece on the cylinder wall breaks off). In addition, all (or nearly all) of the Mk2 engines came with the small single row IMSB which is not nearly as robust as the dual row IMSB found on the 1999s and some of the 2000-2001.
I would also add to the list of differences that the Mk1 3.4 engines appear to be more prone to cracked heads due to differences in head cooling between the 3.4 and 3.6. The Mk2 3.6 engines appear to be more prone to bore scoring and D-chunk (where a "D" shaped piece on the cylinder wall breaks off). In addition, all (or nearly all) of the Mk2 engines came with the small single row IMSB which is not nearly as robust as the dual row IMSB found on the 1999s and some of the 2000-2001.
07-30-2018, 03:13 PM
#33
Rennlist Member
^^ Until omeone says “pop the trunk” and I cannot [with my key fob]. Some people like the convenience factor.
Also, I thought the 3.6s were more problematic for cracking?
Also, I thought the 3.6s were more problematic for cracking?
07-30-2018, 03:45 PM
#34
Drifting
Still, I would take mechanical reliability over remote convenience for sure.
Last edited by peterp; 07-30-2018 at 05:52 PM.
07-30-2018, 08:25 PM
#35
Rennlist Member
Both sides are correct (in my opinion). I'm very glad my car has the mechanical levers because I don't like worrying about that stuff. On the other hand, it's a pain to open the door, pull the lever, go back to the front of the car, to put stuff in. Even when you are sitting in the car and opening the frunk for someone else, you have to open the driver door slightly to pull the lever (I assume that was done for safety to prevent accidental pulls while driving).
Still, I would take mechanical reliability over remote convenience for sure.
Still, I would take mechanical reliability over remote convenience for sure.
07-30-2018, 09:47 PM
#36
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As I age I still like hot girls, but I do t care one iota what they like. I don’t even care if they like me anymore because no matter how hot she is, I don’t want more kids. I want to spend my free time on hobbies not waste it on some frivolous hot girl.
07-30-2018, 10:22 PM
#37
Women can care less about our cars. Your statement is entirely true, I’ve been asked a half a dozen times by twelve year old boys if they can take a picture of my car.
07-30-2018, 11:11 PM
#38
16 years old and my electronic hatches work just fine.
i could swear, just looking at them side by side, that the .2 is wider. Might just be color differences when I've seen them together, or the fatter rears on the .2.
i could swear, just looking at them side by side, that the .2 is wider. Might just be color differences when I've seen them together, or the fatter rears on the .2.
07-30-2018, 11:38 PM
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It anecdotal, but Jake from Flat Six Motors has posted numerous times about the superior build quality of the '99 996 (first model year). Something about old school Porsche standards before the bean counters made them cut all the corners.
Agree it's mostly men and teenage boys that are interested in the car. Most only know that it's Porsche and not the SUV. That being said, I have been approached a couple of times women who are completely out of my league after they saw me exiting the car. Both times I looked around before it registered that they were actually talking to me. Probably not for the better, but made me wish I had gotten the car when I was single,,,
Edit...and no I don't think they would've known the difference between Mk I or II. I think they'd know that you could pick up a 996 for the price of Civic before getting the into finer points of mid-model updates.
Agree it's mostly men and teenage boys that are interested in the car. Most only know that it's Porsche and not the SUV. That being said, I have been approached a couple of times women who are completely out of my league after they saw me exiting the car. Both times I looked around before it registered that they were actually talking to me. Probably not for the better, but made me wish I had gotten the car when I was single,,,
Edit...and no I don't think they would've known the difference between Mk I or II. I think they'd know that you could pick up a 996 for the price of Civic before getting the into finer points of mid-model updates.
07-31-2018, 09:22 AM
#41
Although you can pick up a Porsche 996 for the price of a lesser car, you can't actually drive one long term without having money for repairs/maintenance or skill to personally fix. That is why many people still awe at the site of a 996 rolling down the road. They know they can't get one as it will cost too much long term, or they don't know how to do simple to mid-level repairs and maintenance. It seems that the average person thinks any Porsche, especially 911 model is probably a cool car. 90 percent of the population doesn't know the difference between a 996/997 and even newer.
My buddy bought a late model 911 GTS but still came over to my house to learn how to do an oil change. His dealer wanted $250 for an oil change. He bought all the tools he needed to do it on his own as well as 10 quarts of M1 0W40 at Walmart for less than one dealership oil change.
My buddy bought a late model 911 GTS but still came over to my house to learn how to do an oil change. His dealer wanted $250 for an oil change. He bought all the tools he needed to do it on his own as well as 10 quarts of M1 0W40 at Walmart for less than one dealership oil change.
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07-31-2018, 02:01 PM
#42
Drifting
I'm not really concerned about the electronic hatches breaking, which is a low frequency event, but more about having a dead battery from the car sitting too long and then not being able to get to the battery. Neither of my 996's have/had electronic latches, so I don't know how much of an issue it is in practice, but there are enough threads on RL to make me happier to have mechanical.
07-31-2018, 02:47 PM
#43
Rennlist Member
Generally the 99-01 are mk1, 02-04 are mk2 *
The mk1 has the 3.4L engine with about 300HP at the crank, mk2 has the 3.6L engine with about 320hp at the crank
The most obvious difference are the headlights. The mk1 shared the headlights with the 986 boxster, whereas the mk2 shares the headlights with the 996 turbo.
The earliest mk1's had the dual row IMS bearing (98-99), the later cars (both mk1 and mk2) had the single row.
mk2 has a glove box and had a cup holder that doesn't eat a DIN unit in the center console like the mk1's did
mk1 aero kit was bigger than mk2.
mk2 introduced the C4S with the wide-body look of the turbo
I'm sure I'm leaving a ton out, and since this is from memory I'm probably wrong on about half of those details, but this should be a good starting point
* 1998 was a changeover year, so there were both 993's and 996's produced. but for the most part, 996's started appearing for the 1999 model year. Same with 2005, all 05 turbos and GT2/3's as far as I know were still 996.2, but a few of the 05 C2 / C4 C4s cars were also 996.2's. Most cars produced in 2005 were 997's however.
The mk1 has the 3.4L engine with about 300HP at the crank, mk2 has the 3.6L engine with about 320hp at the crank
The most obvious difference are the headlights. The mk1 shared the headlights with the 986 boxster, whereas the mk2 shares the headlights with the 996 turbo.
The earliest mk1's had the dual row IMS bearing (98-99), the later cars (both mk1 and mk2) had the single row.
mk2 has a glove box and had a cup holder that doesn't eat a DIN unit in the center console like the mk1's did
mk1 aero kit was bigger than mk2.
mk2 introduced the C4S with the wide-body look of the turbo
I'm sure I'm leaving a ton out, and since this is from memory I'm probably wrong on about half of those details, but this should be a good starting point
* 1998 was a changeover year, so there were both 993's and 996's produced. but for the most part, 996's started appearing for the 1999 model year. Same with 2005, all 05 turbos and GT2/3's as far as I know were still 996.2, but a few of the 05 C2 / C4 C4s cars were also 996.2's. Most cars produced in 2005 were 997's however.
Bottom line, some of the MK1 and all MK2 have single row bearings.
Does anyone know if later MK2's have the 'improved' ones that are a PITA to replace like the 997.1?
Last edited by JSRossie; 07-31-2018 at 02:51 PM. Reason: correction
07-31-2018, 11:14 PM
#44
Drifting
996: Double Row: up to 661 14164
996: Single Row: from 661 14165
Boxster: Double Row: up to 651 12851 (M96.22) up to 671 11237 (M96.21)
Boxster: Single Row: from 651 12852 (M96.22) from 671 11238 (M96.21)
The M96 engines included all 2.5/2.7/3.2/3.4/3.6 and 3.8 engines (non GT3/GT2/Turbo) up until approx 2006 - including the 997.1 Carrera S engines. The M97 superseded the M96.
07-31-2018, 11:26 PM
#45
Three Wheelin'
I'm not really concerned about the electronic hatches breaking, which is a low frequency event, but more about having a dead battery from the car sitting too long and then not being able to get to the battery. Neither of my 996's have/had electronic latches, so I don't know how much of an issue it is in practice, but there are enough threads on RL to make me happier to have mechanical.
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