How do PPI logistics work?
07-04-2018, 01:16 PM
#16
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"From Carfax: Find out what "wheel(s) repaired" on 7-18-11 means, specifically."
Not sure but its likely it was the rears as the fronts were just replaced. Rears had some miles on them, so likely it was them in '11
Not sure but its likely it was the rears as the fronts were just replaced. Rears had some miles on them, so likely it was them in '11
Last edited by Prairiedawg; 07-04-2018 at 01:18 PM. Reason: content
07-04-2018, 01:53 PM
#17
There are plenty of nice example out there 996 and 997. Don't necessarily fall in love with this one. If you want a 997 look around. You live in the Chicagoland! I've lived in the burbs three different times in my life. Lots of P-cars around. It's not like around here!
07-04-2018, 01:56 PM
#18
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First thing I see is the dealer serviced this car. Ask to see the service records. Review work done. Post significant work here. Important is how often the oil and filter was changed. Porsche has ridiculous recommendations...10-15k!! The oil should have been changed at least once per year, minimum, regardless of mileage. Gets any fuel/water condensation out of engine to prevent internal bad things from happening.
On second though maybe I'll just run over and buy this thing
JUST KIDDING!!
In addition, Price is high
On second though maybe I'll just run over and buy this thing
JUST KIDDING!!
In addition, Price is high
07-04-2018, 04:44 PM
#19
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Low mile 911's are interesting. Conventional car wisdom says low miles means it's practically a new car that somebody else ate the depreciation on, and you get to feel like the first owner even though you're not. Most buyers of other car brands like low miles because that means more miles are left for you to enjoy. 911 wisdom, especially 996 wisdom, says high mileage means that if something could have happened it "would have by now." Maintenance is a constant with these cars, and it will "always be something." That doesn't mean it will always be something major, but I can pretty much promise you you're going to have little things needing done every year. Cars that sit around have big question marks hanging over them because there are so many questions that likely can't be answered. Generally a car that sits has rubber bits that dry up and crack because they aren't being fed any sort of lubricant on a regular basis. Plastic bits can begin to crack and fail due to age, regardless of use. So just don't come at this with the mentality that low miles automatically means low maintenance.
Regardless of the low miles, you're going to have to do a lot of the same preventative maintenance that any 996 would need. My opinion is that an IMSB retrofit is an absolute must on this car. The 2002 (Mk.2) 996 has the single-row IMS bearing that fails faster than the earlier dual-row design. At 100,000 miles we could tell you - if it was gonna go, it would have gone, like I said above. At 11k miles, who knows, man. There's one way to find out, and you're not gonna like it. So I'd just address it.
Perhaps try to use some of this "deferred maintenance" argument in bargaining for a lower price. But also be ready to pay to play, as we like to say in the Porsche world.
Best of luck!
Regardless of the low miles, you're going to have to do a lot of the same preventative maintenance that any 996 would need. My opinion is that an IMSB retrofit is an absolute must on this car. The 2002 (Mk.2) 996 has the single-row IMS bearing that fails faster than the earlier dual-row design. At 100,000 miles we could tell you - if it was gonna go, it would have gone, like I said above. At 11k miles, who knows, man. There's one way to find out, and you're not gonna like it. So I'd just address it.
Perhaps try to use some of this "deferred maintenance" argument in bargaining for a lower price. But also be ready to pay to play, as we like to say in the Porsche world.
Best of luck!
07-04-2018, 05:16 PM
#20
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Low mile 911's are interesting. Conventional car wisdom says low miles means it's practically a new car that somebody else ate the depreciation on, and you get to feel like the first owner even though you're not. Most buyers of other car brands like low miles because that means more miles are left for you to enjoy. 911 wisdom, especially 996 wisdom, says high mileage means that if something could have happened it "would have by now." Maintenance is a constant with these cars, and it will "always be something." That doesn't mean it will always be something major, but I can pretty much promise you you're going to have little things needing done every year. Cars that sit around have big question marks hanging over them because there are so many questions that likely can't be answered. Generally a car that sits has rubber bits that dry up and crack because they aren't being fed any sort of lubricant on a regular basis. Plastic bits can begin to crack and fail due to age, regardless of use. So just don't come at this with the mentality that low miles automatically means low maintenance.
Regardless of the low miles, you're going to have to do a lot of the same preventative maintenance that any 996 would need. My opinion is that an IMSB retrofit is an absolute must on this car. The 2002 (Mk.2) 996 has the single-row IMS bearing that fails faster than the earlier dual-row design. At 100,000 miles we could tell you - if it was gonna go, it would have gone, like I said above. At 11k miles, who knows, man. There's one way to find out, and you're not gonna like it. So I'd just address it.
Perhaps try to use some of this "deferred maintenance" argument in bargaining for a lower price. But also be ready to pay to play, as we like to say in the Porsche world.
Best of luck!
Regardless of the low miles, you're going to have to do a lot of the same preventative maintenance that any 996 would need. My opinion is that an IMSB retrofit is an absolute must on this car. The 2002 (Mk.2) 996 has the single-row IMS bearing that fails faster than the earlier dual-row design. At 100,000 miles we could tell you - if it was gonna go, it would have gone, like I said above. At 11k miles, who knows, man. There's one way to find out, and you're not gonna like it. So I'd just address it.
Perhaps try to use some of this "deferred maintenance" argument in bargaining for a lower price. But also be ready to pay to play, as we like to say in the Porsche world.
Best of luck!
07-04-2018, 05:17 PM
#21
@prairiedawg: Agree that the price is a bit steep on this one. If it were a 4S, maybe a different story.
We also have a Porsche tech in the Chicago area who could travel out to the car for a full PPI. If we can help, feel free to let us know. Thanks!
We also have a Porsche tech in the Chicago area who could travel out to the car for a full PPI. If we can help, feel free to let us know. Thanks!
07-04-2018, 05:33 PM
#22
Burning Brakes
I'll take a stab at it.
if it was turn key, 25K.
Negotiate rms,ims,aos,water pump from there.
As a porsche dealership, they know the costs for all that, and it's $$$$. Offer 25 and they do the above.🤑
if it was turn key, 25K.
Negotiate rms,ims,aos,water pump from there.
As a porsche dealership, they know the costs for all that, and it's $$$$. Offer 25 and they do the above.🤑
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07-04-2018, 07:35 PM
#23
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Sounds like a deal, I'll take it. I think I'll have a hard time convincing the dealer to replace perfectly fine water pump, AOS, etc. You have valid points but they'll just wait for someone else to bit the car I would think. The IMS, RMS is a different matter altogether. I don't know if they would install an aftermarket IMS Solution kit. I think that's the only direction I would go is direct oil feed. They surely wouldn't pay for aftermarket parts, maybe labor?