Russ21

Sorry Charles, copied two of your quotes below.

1 "There have been zero failures of the Single Row Pro or Classic Dual Row Retrofit kits"
2 "Any part supplier that says they don't have failures is straight up lying"

A paradox:-(

lowpue

Not that I want to get in the middle of this debate...but I think you have to look at what Charles has said (I am not an attorney either)...He has stated that they recommend regular maintenance and replacement every 4 years. But what he also said that of the two types he lists there have been no reported failures. He is not stating that they wont fail, just that they know of no failures. Those are two different things. :-)

Russ21

His quote below, maybe from a different quote you read.

'There have been zero failures of the Single Row Pro or Classic Dual Row Retrofit kits. Likewise, the IMS Solution also has a flawless record.'

Charles Navarro

Russ, we all know your opinion and position on changing your IMS bearing. Yes, I should have stated that there have been zero REPORTED failures of the Single Row Pro, Classic Dual Row, or any of the IMS Solution kits. However the success of any procedure regardless of whose technology you use depends on the condition of the engine to start with. Not every engine should have the IMS bearing changed. I'll reiterate what I've stated a thousand times before - it's important that pre-qualification procedures are followed. Waiting to change your IMS bearing until it starts to fail or has been failed as you imply in your posts is a bad idea.

There are many who wait until they see debris and then sell their car to some poor unsuspecting soul who has a live grenade on their hands.

Charles Navarro

You read correctly. The ims bearing is a maintenance item that needs to be serviced, like a timing belt. If you run any bearing, factory or aftermarket long enough, it will fail. Everything mechanical will eventually fail. Not to be a debbie-downer, but just the facts.

Charles Navarro

Russ, how is this a paradox? You are not adding anything constructive to this conversation by being a horses a**. There have been many threads on this topic prior to your joining Rennlist. The search feature is your friend. I've been honest about failures and there have been members with failures that have posted on Rennlist previously.

Russ21

You say your product never fails, yet you also say, anyone who says their product never fails is a liar.

A paradox is a statement that contradicts itself and still seems true somehow.

Charles Navarro

Please re-read my past posts. I have taken ownership of product failures in the past. I was answering another members direct question.

It is because of people like you that I took an extended hiatus from the forums.

DBJoe996

Charles - you provide invaluable technical knowledge and information and I appreciate it. As do so many others on here. If you have to step away from this one...do so, but please stay with us as we really do appreciate everything you provide, and your company provides. Proud owner of many LN Engineering products!

moburki

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Russ21

It's just the way you word thing implying the original IMSB will fail when it's chance of failure below

8% of cars fail at an average of say 85,000 miles remember some never fail in the life of a car even 250k or more ;
so you take 100 cars do 85,000 miles in each so you cover 8,500,000 miles divided by your 8% or 8 failures = 1,062,000 miles traveled
( I am not nor have I implied that 1 bearing would or could do this, what I am pointing out is on average (as I have stated many times) A 996 single row bearing will go every aprox million miles travelled)
This is not taking into account the 1% for the upgraded bearing which has a failure rate of 1 in 8,000,000 miles travelled.

Anyway I'll agree to mention it to you no more, if you agree when I give someone advice on IMSB you don't reply to me.
As you have an agenda, but to me it's a bit of number crunching unbiased advice to someone who asked,

Charles Navarro

Your data is flawed as is your logic.

This isn't a made up problem and your opinion is no consolation for those who have suffered a failure or multiple failures.

Russ21

I fully understand the plight of the victims of imsb failure, however someone asked a question on whether to change one I gave the best factual unbiased advice with a breakdown of the likelihood of it happening. I appreciate you see more than your fair share of failures as it's the business your in, but the fact you see more failures gives you a bias opinion.
you say my data if flawed, let"s see your data to the contrary.
I doubt you'll reply but I hope you do, if you have data to the contrary when someone asks again I can say here you are I got this from Charles he knows what hes talking about, if it's fact based I'll back yiou all the way.

best wishes Russell

DBJoe996

There are lies, damn lies...and statistics. Here's a point of bias for you - Charles, Jake and LN Engineering know more about this problem than anyone, and have developed, marketed and installed solutions with recommended service life based on their knowledge - 4 years or 50K miles. The OP has already had a single row retrofit, so any debate about original bearing life is moot. What is relevant is the 4 year/50K service recommendation for a retrofitted single row bearing. The OP I think checked out of this thread...but if he is still checking in - For your peace of mind, schedule to have the bearing replaced and spring for the Solution...then drive it like you stole it! It will be worth it if you plan on keeping the car.

Russ21

I know it's crazy changing a part that can last say 15-20 years (average age of my porsche's 16 years all without exception had original IMSB) to one that has to be changed every 4 years whether you use the car or not.

Ps I have never doubted the ability of any mechanic on this site