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Old 02-13-2018, 09:07 PM
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is the m96 3.6l same for both 996 n 997.1?
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sober_owl View Post
is the m96 3.6l same for both 996 n 997.1?
Pretty much yes. The 9A1 motor I believe came out in the 997.2
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sober_owl View Post
is the m96 3.6l same for both 996 n 997.1?
The 997.1 has the M97 which included the 3.6l and 3.8l. It's considered an upgrade to the M96 akin to how the 3.6l M96 evolved from the 3.4l M96. The 2009MY+ cars have the 9A1 or 9A2 DFI engines.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:58 AM
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997.1 3.6 is still a m96 at least on the early cars
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:24 PM
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Some of the early 2005 997s had the m96 motor with the single row ims .
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrjonger View Post
At $6500, I would have forgone the IMS solution and all the while you're in there's and just driven the car. If the engine grenaded, I'd still come out ahead vs all the PM cost. If this is a limited run, interesting arbitrage opportunity.
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:44 PM
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Thanks Charles and Porschetech3!
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:28 PM
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If these are remanufactured short blocks, who does the work? Does Porsche sub it out? If so, what is the level of quality? I would want to know since it could end up being a similar overall cost if I were to get an engine rebuilt at Flat6.
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Originally Posted by Splitting Atoms View Post
If these are remanufactured short blocks, who does the work? Does Porsche sub it out? If so, what is the level of quality? I would want to know since it could end up being a similar overall cost if I were to get an engine rebuilt at Flat6.
As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure, Porsche does the reman's in house. Reman complete engines have been available since a few years after the 996 was introduced, but not short blocks, they were complete plug and play engines.For the first few years, no one was allowed to even open up, or repair the m96 engines. Complete reman engines were available for 6-8k + core (and core charge was more than the cost of the engine) then went to 12k..15k..19k. now 23-24k + core.. Heads can be rebuilt for 200 - 1000 ( 200 being clean and grind valves and new seals...1000 being with new guides and springs) each. and I guesstimate labor to install a short block ( in the AllData Guide) would be about 25 hours.

A DIY'er could do a reman short block with basic valve job and all new gaskets/seals for 7-8k repairing as much "as necessary" and not "as much as possible". Of course that would be on an engine that was in really good condition ( heads and all bolt ons )before suffering a bore score, or a bearing failure.
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Old 02-15-2018, 12:13 AM
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In that case, I wonder if Porsche is expanding their restoration and parts business to make it a more significant revenue stream, similar to what Ferrari has done. I saw recently where Porsche was using a state of the art metal 3D printer to manufacture some unobtanium vintage Porsche parts. The 996 is not valuable enough to provide the type support that could be justified with some of the earlier Porsches, but they may be able to sell a few short blocks if they keep the cost down.
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Quite a few!
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Porsche have invested a lot in creating " Porsche Classic Partners " at select dealerships . You can take your 356 to one if you want .
Given that there were 175000 996's built , and most of them are still on the road , along with 70% of all Porsches ever built , the classics support is a real revenue stream .
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Originally Posted by Splitting Atoms View Post
In that case, I wonder if Porsche is expanding their restoration and parts business to make it a more significant revenue stream, similar to what Ferrari has done. I saw recently where Porsche was using a state of the art metal 3D printer to manufacture some unobtanium vintage Porsche parts. The 996 is not valuable enough to provide the type support that could be justified with some of the earlier Porsches, but they may be able to sell a few short blocks if they keep the cost down.
That value might not be at that point "yet" but IMHO that shouldn't be the determining factor and would be very near sighted by Porsche. Customer service for a product they originally sold for over $80-$90 k should be enough of a reason.
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