ca993twin

Norske,

Boy, you have an amazing list of ex-cars. Zowie.

It is fairly common knowledge that Ruf cars retain their upgrade value better than other tuner cars... not just by the Ruf worshipers, but anyone that looks at the market. This is not to say that one can't get similar (or even better) performance elsewhere for less money... Protomotive is the perfect example. But resale is something else. How much do you think your car is really worth right now?

IamSMC

Then what do you think this Ruf is worth?

Bradford

Hi Steve - I'm trying to follow what you are saying about Protomotive. Are you saying that Protomotive can get you more performance or that their re-sale is not as good as Ruf is?

ronnie993tt

Naw, the market'll pay waaay more for a low mileage car and so would I.

ca993twin

Hi Scott. I was trying to say (poorly, evidently) that Protomotive can produce similar or better performance at a lower cost than Ruf, but that Ruf will have better resale. When are you coming to Santa Cruz?

Bradford

Trying not to get to far off topic here but it would be interesting to hear from the Protomotive folks on this subject. From what I've heard, Protomotive is quite expensive because most of their builds are 3.8 twin plugs. I believe they are $50k+. As far as the re-sale values, does anyone have past sales #'s to compare? Would be interesting to know.

I would love to visit Santa Cruz!

mickfluff

better I meant quality and life of engine...mainly referring to this car with higher miles having a recent refresh.

Your surely correct about much lower miles is going to have the higher price tag out there and command such.... but those cars recently refreshed although with higher miles many times can be the a longer living car with no/less issues for miles to come. If one had a car with 40k miles bought, vs a car with lets say 80K miles but the 80K mile car just had a refresh I bet that the 80K car will be as reliable as the 40K car and would say even more for the next XXXXX miles..... not always of course. Hope that helps explain my thoughts a bit more as I realize my post was a bit vague...

I tend to agree with this:
"Hi Scott. I was trying to say (poorly, evidently) that Protomotive can produce similar or better performance at a lower cost than Ruf, but that Ruf will have better resale"

They have built a world brand over the years and in that commands a certain value/price affiliated with the brand. Those that think RUF is better just because it is RUF are sadly mistaken (no one saying that here) as andial, Proto, etc put out some amazing amazing cars! But at the end of the day RUF I think will always be the #1 "recognized" porsche tuner (recognized not saying better....) that will bring the most value on resale given equals. Small example...RUF wheels used sell for near new prices, where techart sell for much less then their original price used... RUF wheels are anchors (I have em, I know, think we all know) and so many better - lighter wheels out there but the RUF brand keeps the value high and yes they sure do look nice

Norske

We all know that RUF is also a manufacturer. I do know that a real RUF car will sell for more than most because of the name. This car only has a RUF engine upgrade and pedals. I think the car is worth about 65K at best. It has 87,000 miles on it. They are selling the name.

Yes i believe that you get more performance for less $$ with Protomotive than RUF. My engine was 32K which I am glad i did not spend.

My car has more HP than this car, same suspension, better oil cooler, same wheels, etc.

What my car is worth? Who knows. My whole car has only 21K miles. Engine upgrade has 8K miles. Suspension has 6K. I do know that there were less than 250 1998 C4'S produced, so I have a fairly rare beast. And I do believe my car is better and worth more than this car. But would someone give 80K for it. I doubt it. Would I take it? Probably not right now. I think the market for 993's is just in the middle of the rise.

mickfluff

Your car is a beast no doubt! with low miles as well....great build.

I also agree with what you noted on what this car has for RUF parts.... yes the engine conversion is the main part but the RUF bumpers, wheels, other RUF parts etc. all add much value and this car doesn't have much beyond the engine conversion. If it had all this other stuff though think the $ maybe more...

The price for the car and the new refresh........ given how often these cars come available I think will sell with possibly only light flex on price.

Also on board with your thoughts about the 993 market still climbing!

Knight

Was looking thru some old emails and I looked at this car last June, it was listed for $77K and sold within a few weeks. Service Mgr @ Weissach mentioned they did 4 conversions and this was the actually first one.

I'm curious, what would be the cost of the RUF upgrades?

The top end, front end respray etc I'd say roughly $20K+ right there.

Marshy

Hey Steve ! Good to hear from you and trust this finds you (still) in good health.

I hear your sentiments on the RUF brand, but given the rarity of the Turbo R, especially in Canada, they will IMHO get close to what they're asking. While the time of year isn't ideal, the locale it's being marketed in is not affected by winter conditions like most of the rest of Canada.

Well documented 993 turbos are uncommon in Canada, and the RUF modification (1 of 4 built here by Weissach) just brings more cachet to those looking for one of these machines. Another reason for the price (I believe) is the recent top-end refresh and repaint by a former RUF dealer that know these models and the R spec intimately.


Geoff

Marshy

My conversion was completed in 2001 so the prices are far from current. When I enquired with RAC Dallas a couple of years ago, the engine conversion alone (turbos, ECU, sport cats, etc) was $40k. The add-on items can be priced currently on the RUF Germany website.

Geoff

Bergamasco

I just love my Ruf conversion and the price was simply fantastic..... it didn't cost more than $300 for my pedals... :-)

Kinesis 996

Just read through it all.

Want to say that the car for sale belongs to a friend of mine. Rest assure that this is indeed a RUF engine, though no one here say it isn't. The owner had a painting of his Ruf R in his garage signed by ruf, very nice of course. He should of sold it along with the car. I see that he uses the 996 wheels now, originally he had the black Fiske on.

He maintained his car and takes good care of it. I hope it goes to a good family, sad to see he let it go.

On the side note, I also thing the price is a little too high for such a milage car.

Marshy

Marin,
Please post pics of your seats, I'd love to see 'em ! Did you order these straight from the factory in Germany or through RUF USA ?

Geoff