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05-14-2008, 11:42 AM
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Just an update on this thread.
The black/black has since been sold to persons unknown, and I have been
diligently working with one of the sales guys (Nick) on the Silver/Black last
Friday ($74K). My credit card information was taken for a $2500 deposit to
secure it until a detailed PPI could be scheduled for Monday. Monday comes
and goes and 3 of my calls to the service manager was never returned. Got
a hold of Nick again yesterday (day off on Monday) who tracked down Peter
(service manager) and was promised that a full PPI (costing $500+) would
be done immediately with the results due today. A leakdown test would
then be scheduled and full payment of the car would be forth coming
pending the satisfactory completion of said test.
Fast forward to this morning, I get a call from Nick who then proceeds to
hand over the phone to his sales manager. I am informed that there is
another party who is interested in the car (sold as is) and that he wanted
me to commit to the purchase immediately without any PPI. Upon further
questioning, he revealed that the scheduled PPI was never done.
There is no way I will cut a cheque for $74K on a car, sight unseen, so
I voiced my displeasure with how things were handled and declined on
the purchase. Just in case the other buyer is lurking here, I would
seriously suggest a full PPI and leakdown be done on this car before
any monies are exchanged. My gut feeling is that there is cause to be
concerned when a dealership accepts a deposit but refuses a request for
a PPI and leakdown. Especially after letting them know that I will require
that the car be shipping via closed container directly to my local dealership
for another PPI.
More details on the car:
1996 993TT Silver/Black 20202 miles
VIN WP0AC2998TS376057
PS. Thanks to the 3 fellow Rennlisters who
had PMed me about their horror stories
dealing with this particular dealership.
I guess I should have heeded all your
advise but lesson learnt.
The black/black has since been sold to persons unknown, and I have been
diligently working with one of the sales guys (Nick) on the Silver/Black last
Friday ($74K). My credit card information was taken for a $2500 deposit to
secure it until a detailed PPI could be scheduled for Monday. Monday comes
and goes and 3 of my calls to the service manager was never returned. Got
a hold of Nick again yesterday (day off on Monday) who tracked down Peter
(service manager) and was promised that a full PPI (costing $500+) would
be done immediately with the results due today. A leakdown test would
then be scheduled and full payment of the car would be forth coming
pending the satisfactory completion of said test.
Fast forward to this morning, I get a call from Nick who then proceeds to
hand over the phone to his sales manager. I am informed that there is
another party who is interested in the car (sold as is) and that he wanted
me to commit to the purchase immediately without any PPI. Upon further
questioning, he revealed that the scheduled PPI was never done.
There is no way I will cut a cheque for $74K on a car, sight unseen, so
I voiced my displeasure with how things were handled and declined on
the purchase. Just in case the other buyer is lurking here, I would
seriously suggest a full PPI and leakdown be done on this car before
any monies are exchanged. My gut feeling is that there is cause to be
concerned when a dealership accepts a deposit but refuses a request for
a PPI and leakdown. Especially after letting them know that I will require
that the car be shipping via closed container directly to my local dealership
for another PPI.
More details on the car:
1996 993TT Silver/Black 20202 miles
VIN WP0AC2998TS376057
PS. Thanks to the 3 fellow Rennlisters who
had PMed me about their horror stories
dealing with this particular dealership.
I guess I should have heeded all your
advise but lesson learnt.
05-14-2008, 11:17 PM
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Seller is a Porsche dealership and I asked for them to the PPI.
Rational being that it will keep them honest and accountable
since I was planning to have another done after the car is delivered.
I am assuming so.
Long story short, my broker put in an offer on that car
that was "accepted" (again pending a PPI) and my guy
had asked them to pull the car off EBay. They said no
problem... but they never did and another party purchased
it using the "buy now" function (for $4K more).
Seems like I've had my share of bad luck. Put a deposit
on the one that Scottsdale Lotus had 96 GuardsRed/Black
15K miles and was warned by a couple of folks here that
they were trying to sell me a "clean car" that had undisclosed history.
Ask them for a PPI and my request was declined too...
Sigh... Either I'm too high maintenance or it's just not meant to be....
Anyone of you spend $75-90K on an used car without doing a PPI?
Rational being that it will keep them honest and accountable
since I was planning to have another done after the car is delivered.
I am assuming so.
that was "accepted" (again pending a PPI) and my guy
had asked them to pull the car off EBay. They said no
problem... but they never did and another party purchased
it using the "buy now" function (for $4K more).
Seems like I've had my share of bad luck. Put a deposit
on the one that Scottsdale Lotus had 96 GuardsRed/Black
15K miles and was warned by a couple of folks here that
they were trying to sell me a "clean car" that had undisclosed history.
Ask them for a PPI and my request was declined too...
Sigh... Either I'm too high maintenance or it's just not meant to be....
Anyone of you spend $75-90K on an used car without doing a PPI?
05-15-2008, 05:00 AM
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Seller is a Porsche dealership and I asked for them to the PPI.
Rational being that it will keep them honest and accountable
since I was planning to have another done after the car is delivered.
I am assuming so.
Long story short, my broker put in an offer on that car
that was "accepted" (again pending a PPI) and my guy
had asked them to pull the car off EBay. They said no
problem... but they never did and another party purchased
it using the "buy now" function (for $4K more).
Seems like I've had my share of bad luck. Put a deposit
on the one that Scottsdale Lotus had 96 GuardsRed/Black
15K miles and was warned by a couple of folks here that
they were trying to sell me a "clean car" that had undisclosed history.
Ask them for a PPI and my request was declined too...
Sigh... Either I'm too high maintenance or it's just not meant to be....
Anyone of you spend $75-90K on an used car without doing a PPI?
Rational being that it will keep them honest and accountable
since I was planning to have another done after the car is delivered.
I am assuming so.
Long story short, my broker put in an offer on that car
that was "accepted" (again pending a PPI) and my guy
had asked them to pull the car off EBay. They said no
problem... but they never did and another party purchased
it using the "buy now" function (for $4K more).
Seems like I've had my share of bad luck. Put a deposit
on the one that Scottsdale Lotus had 96 GuardsRed/Black
15K miles and was warned by a couple of folks here that
they were trying to sell me a "clean car" that had undisclosed history.
Ask them for a PPI and my request was declined too...
Sigh... Either I'm too high maintenance or it's just not meant to be....
Anyone of you spend $75-90K on an used car without doing a PPI?
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05-15-2008, 01:43 PM
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Sometime the best cars are the ones that you missed because you didn't jump on a plane to see the car prior to a PPI. I bought a 97TT with 24K on it 6 months ago. To make long story short, the seller (who is here on Rennlist) did not think that another interested party (also here on Rennlist) was really interested because he didn't come and see the car himself. Therefore he declined to have a PPI performed for the interested party. We are talking about a $75K car here, this is a reasonably expensive vehicle. I went to see the car firsthand, looked it over (I am not an expert) and determined that I was serious about the car and arranged a PPI to be done the day of the sale. If it didn't check out I wouldn't have completed the transaction. I guess what I'm getting at is that some people may not think that you are really serious about the car if you don't show up in person. My advice is the next car that grabs your eye deserves the $500 investment for a plane ticket to determine if you are serious or not. By the way the seller in my case had nothing to hide he just didn't want to deal with a long distance buyer.
I'd figure that spending $1800+ on a certified PPI & leakdown
in addition to the $2500 deposit would more than signal my
intentions. I'm in no position to fly all over North America to
chase down "the" car... looks like one of Ray's beauties will
be my best alternative. That is unless you are thinking of parting
with your baby...
05-15-2008, 02:44 PM
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Good points.
I'd figure that spending $1800+ on a certified PPI & leakdown
in addition to the $2500 deposit would more than signal my
intentions. I'm in no position to fly all over North America to
chase down "the" car... looks like one of Ray's beauties will
be my best alternative. That is unless you are thinking of parting
with your baby...
I'd figure that spending $1800+ on a certified PPI & leakdown
in addition to the $2500 deposit would more than signal my
intentions. I'm in no position to fly all over North America to
chase down "the" car... looks like one of Ray's beauties will
be my best alternative. That is unless you are thinking of parting
with your baby...
05-17-2008, 02:04 AM
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Owzer dont put 997TT wheels on your 993 TT.
Anyway from what I have read on this thread you were played and it might have worked out in your favor.
I think the OTHER party was a ploy to make you skip the PPI and hasten the deal Shame on them.
First of all as you have figured out 75K is a ridiculous amount of money for a car. NEVER skip the PPI.
Secondly DONT have the selling dealer do the PPI. Go to an independent service organization for the PPI.
The selling dealer will probably screw you anyway.
Thirdly you BETTER get your deposit back. That is totally UNethical. A leakdown and compression check is about 500 or more, and you might get lucky not having one on a car with 20K miles or less. I dont know what I would do in that case. Kevin would probably suggest having one.
Fourthly ANY 993 is probably going to need new shocks and you should just consider that part of the cost of buying a new to you 993.
Fifthly I am on the west coast a former 993TT owner and would be glad to help you in your quest with ANY questions you might have no matter how silly they may seem. They are good questions if not knowing makes you uneasy.
The reason you dont want 19's on your 993TT is geometry is messed up (unless you are looking a RUF wheels) and the ride will be harsher. Your ride will suffer too. I have recently gone from 19's to 18s on my 997 GT3 and can give you some suggestions on some really nice wheels that will keep your geometry intact, and even help your performance with reducing weight on the four corners
HRE's Champions, Kenesis, and Fiskes. Check out Wheelenhancement.com to look at various combinations. I am going with Fiskes Profil 13s. they have just realy captured my imagination as well as reducing weight by about 30 lbs total, and thats what its all about.
Anyway from what I have read on this thread you were played and it might have worked out in your favor.
I think the OTHER party was a ploy to make you skip the PPI and hasten the deal Shame on them.
First of all as you have figured out 75K is a ridiculous amount of money for a car. NEVER skip the PPI.
Secondly DONT have the selling dealer do the PPI. Go to an independent service organization for the PPI.
The selling dealer will probably screw you anyway.
Thirdly you BETTER get your deposit back. That is totally UNethical. A leakdown and compression check is about 500 or more, and you might get lucky not having one on a car with 20K miles or less. I dont know what I would do in that case. Kevin would probably suggest having one.
Fourthly ANY 993 is probably going to need new shocks and you should just consider that part of the cost of buying a new to you 993.
Fifthly I am on the west coast a former 993TT owner and would be glad to help you in your quest with ANY questions you might have no matter how silly they may seem. They are good questions if not knowing makes you uneasy.
The reason you dont want 19's on your 993TT is geometry is messed up (unless you are looking a RUF wheels) and the ride will be harsher. Your ride will suffer too. I have recently gone from 19's to 18s on my 997 GT3 and can give you some suggestions on some really nice wheels that will keep your geometry intact, and even help your performance with reducing weight on the four corners
HRE's Champions, Kenesis, and Fiskes. Check out Wheelenhancement.com to look at various combinations. I am going with Fiskes Profil 13s. they have just realy captured my imagination as well as reducing weight by about 30 lbs total, and thats what its all about.
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Owzer dont put 997TT wheels on your 993 TT.
Anyway from what I have read on this thread you were played and it might have worked out in your favor.
I think the OTHER party was a ploy to make you skip the PPI and hasten the deal Shame on them.
First of all as you have figured out 75K is a ridiculous amount of money for a car. NEVER skip the PPI.
Secondly DONT have the selling dealer do the PPI. Go to an independent service organization for the PPI.
The selling dealer will probably screw you anyway.
Thirdly you BETTER get your deposit back. That is totally UNethical. A leakdown and compression check is about 500 or more, and you might get lucky not having one on a car with 20K miles or less. I dont know what I would do in that case. Kevin would probably suggest having one.
Fourthly ANY 993 is probably going to need new shocks and you should just consider that part of the cost of buying a new to you 993.
Fifthly I am on the west coast a former 993TT owner and would be glad to help you in your quest with ANY questions you might have no matter how silly they may seem. They are good questions if not knowing makes you uneasy.
The reason you dont want 19's on your 993TT is geometry is messed up (unless you are looking a RUF wheels) and the ride will be harsher. Your ride will suffer too. I have recently gone from 19's to 18s on my 997 GT3 and can give you some suggestions on some really nice wheels that will keep your geometry intact, and even help your performance with reducing weight on the four corners
HRE's Champions, Kenesis, and Fiskes. Check out Wheelenhancement.com to look at various combinations. I am going with Fiskes Profil 13s. they have just realy captured my imagination as well as reducing weight by about 30 lbs total, and thats what its all about.
Anyway from what I have read on this thread you were played and it might have worked out in your favor.
I think the OTHER party was a ploy to make you skip the PPI and hasten the deal Shame on them.
First of all as you have figured out 75K is a ridiculous amount of money for a car. NEVER skip the PPI.
Secondly DONT have the selling dealer do the PPI. Go to an independent service organization for the PPI.
The selling dealer will probably screw you anyway.
Thirdly you BETTER get your deposit back. That is totally UNethical. A leakdown and compression check is about 500 or more, and you might get lucky not having one on a car with 20K miles or less. I dont know what I would do in that case. Kevin would probably suggest having one.
Fourthly ANY 993 is probably going to need new shocks and you should just consider that part of the cost of buying a new to you 993.
Fifthly I am on the west coast a former 993TT owner and would be glad to help you in your quest with ANY questions you might have no matter how silly they may seem. They are good questions if not knowing makes you uneasy.
The reason you dont want 19's on your 993TT is geometry is messed up (unless you are looking a RUF wheels) and the ride will be harsher. Your ride will suffer too. I have recently gone from 19's to 18s on my 997 GT3 and can give you some suggestions on some really nice wheels that will keep your geometry intact, and even help your performance with reducing weight on the four corners
HRE's Champions, Kenesis, and Fiskes. Check out Wheelenhancement.com to look at various combinations. I am going with Fiskes Profil 13s. they have just realy captured my imagination as well as reducing weight by about 30 lbs total, and thats what its all about.
Chris
