red993tt

Marty
How was it not optimized? Hp, lag, ???

Woodster

Responsiveness was good (no lag), top end was good, but it just was not as strong
as it should have been. (I ran against a variety of cars in a variety of situations, and
it did not fare quite as well as it should have). According to the butt dyno, it felt very
strong! Todd's software "560" was I believe actually designed for some k-16/garret
hybrids. the other factor was we had (2) cars in town with identical mods and he tried
k-16's, k-24's, and then the stage 2's, had it been the software that Kevin had developed
by Gunther, no doubght the stage 2's would have been the strongest. But in fact the K-24's
ran a little stronger on top which everyone said (Kevin included), must be because of the
software. Also I was running an auxillary boost controller with a "wimpy" .9 bar of boost
most of the time (93 octane). I hope this helps. Buy a system !!!!!!!!!!!! dont piecemeal
and think you are saving money.
MK

Rickard 993 Turbo

So what does the stage 2 include

Kevin

Stage 2 Zero Clearance Turbochargers
130mm large diameter 100 cell cats
modified ported/polished heat exchangers
5bar fuel pressure regulator
Spark Plugs
Sachs Motorsports Clutch kit

Last but not least, ECU tuning by Mr Mandl

pole position

I don't understand why everybody is so focused on stg 2,3,4 hammer. bulldog or whatever with the 3.6 tt. In the real world with any consideration to longevity you are done at around 500 hp(bolt on) no matter what turbo you strap on. To get the most out of the motor you have to open it up , done right = not cheap plus you need someone with experience and not just some fancy webside with "customer feedback".
The Andial 3.8 is rated around 560-580 hp fully build, maybe a true custom tune would gain another 20-30hp but that is it for a street car IMO if you want to do extended WOT.

On the flip side you can read Corky bell's book, put in a magic boost controller, racegas(the answer to all tuning), use the mother of all turbos (Garret) ,no internal mods and make 600hp and it will be frightenly fast....on the mustang dyno and internet forums.

I am completly lost why educated individuals fall for this kind of marketing BS. Why are all those tuning and engine geniuses hiding on forums and some obscure shops in the middle of nowhere not using their superior know how to show some F1 teams the light is beyond me.

Kevin

Pole, some customers just want "bolt ons" and yes, you have to open these engines up and replace the rods, install flame rings, camshafts, and head studs.. I have limited the maximum torque output of my Stage 2 kit. The last thing that I want is a vented engine case..

I do like your humor...

Rickard 993 Turbo

Can you say how big they are, are they 24 or 16 or what are they, what power to exspect

Kevin

They are based on the K16's.. 465-510HP depending on fuel grade, and cam timing..

Rickard 993 Turbo

Okey, thanks

So on a car with k24 with supporting mods will have the same out put

Rassel

Hahahaha! That was freakin' wonderful.

I think it is a slight market problem. I just saw a tuning company claiming 480hp from a stock 993TT by just remapping (Oh really?!!). Worst part is that the tuner also explains that, while other tuners offer more optimistic numbers, they try to be conservative just to be sure.

What the customer really asks for is to pay for increased power. 9/10 they have no idea what the difference between 500hp and 700hp is anyway. Especially driveable power. The pull away from the tuner, feel that the car is stronger and get some crappy dyno sheet in their hands that they dont know what to read. This is where I would call the BS by going to another dyno do a before and a after benchmark. But actually, that is only to give proof and has nothing to do with the actual process itself.

We pretty much know what can be done with the TT with existing after market parts before we have to get way more expensive. After that it's in the hands of people who do the mapping. It's the same pattern over and over. Find the parts, do the tuning and you end up with the result. I'm sick of hearing these magical numbers that pop up all the time. That's why I like the 60-130 thread, it kind of shows what people are really looking for. Also we dont need to focus on one stupid figure not saying how the rest of the powerband looks like.

Ooops, I'm going off-topic, better shut up now

Kevin

"So on a car with k24 with supporting mods will have the same out put"

The Stage 2 K16 are definatley larger than X50 optioned K24's.. the short answer is no..

Rickard 993 Turbo

Okey then i must have missunderstod your mods

I did understand it like this

That used a stock k16, machined the compressor house and fitted the k24 compressor wheel, and that the k16 did have a smaller turbine wheel and smaller turbine house, so my understading was that a k24 was bigger on both sides..?

Kevin

The Stage 1 or GT1 hybrid turbochargers which are used with my Stage 1 package. Consist of
"used a stock k16, machined the compressor house and fitted the k24 compressor wheel"

The Stage 2 Z/C turbochargers are largers and have alot of machine work in them.

Rickard 993 Turbo

Okey then i understand better

So what do you say the stock k24 max out att

Kevin

450-480HP depending on fuel grade.. With the mods that I mentioned for the Stage 2 package.