993 sales seem to have dramatically slowed
06-28-2017, 12:59 PM
#16
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Any low mile / pristine Turbo & WB 993 will command a premium. Others ... well market has softened. 964 is a culmination of parts.... personally prefer the 993 since it was completely redesigned and last of the Air Cooled 911s. I believe the 993 will always prove special in the marketplace. These cars with 100K+ on them are getting a reality check on price!
06-28-2017, 09:00 PM
#17
Race Car
Originally Posted by PRSWILL
there's obviously been a slow down in the sale of 993's these days- Which of the following do you think are driving this?
Sellers pushing the upper bounds of the price and not willing to come off their ask?
Collectors burning through their disposable $$?
A lack of solid examples?
Another P-car model taking over as the market preferred ?
Economic uncertainty?
General lust for air-cooled cars declining?
A natural "pause" in the market due to some or all of these issues?
Other?
There appears to be at least 3-4 really nice 993's for sale on RL alone- wish I had the capital to ****** up another.
Sellers pushing the upper bounds of the price and not willing to come off their ask?
Collectors burning through their disposable $$?
A lack of solid examples?
Another P-car model taking over as the market preferred ?
Economic uncertainty?
General lust for air-cooled cars declining?
A natural "pause" in the market due to some or all of these issues?
Other?
There appears to be at least 3-4 really nice 993's for sale on RL alone- wish I had the capital to ****** up another.
06-28-2017, 09:30 PM
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06-28-2017, 09:38 PM
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Though one cannot say so ot on For Sale ads, most people who list their cars for sale on Rennlist are delusional about pricing.
Cars that are priced fairly, sell right away. That's the minority.
The vast majority of 993s, especially on Rennlist, are priced like it was a year or two ago and they sit and sit. If a car is for sale for more than a month, chances are it's because the owner has delusions of grandeur about the price.
Cars that are priced fairly, sell right away. That's the minority.
The vast majority of 993s, especially on Rennlist, are priced like it was a year or two ago and they sit and sit. If a car is for sale for more than a month, chances are it's because the owner has delusions of grandeur about the price.
06-28-2017, 09:58 PM
#20
I had a solid offer of 75k on my Arctic Silver C4S with 73,000 miles on the clock a few weeks back but declined. Really had hoped for 5-8k higher but the offer never came through.
Alas, I think current market demand dictates values today. My car isn't a collector, but meticulously maintained, and modified with a TPC supercharger, Renown USA steering wheel, coilovers, walrod bushings, Limited Slip, lightweight flywheel, Rotiform 3 piece FUC wheels at 18x9 and 18x12, brand new Toyo R888 tires, etc.
Alas, I think current market demand dictates values today. My car isn't a collector, but meticulously maintained, and modified with a TPC supercharger, Renown USA steering wheel, coilovers, walrod bushings, Limited Slip, lightweight flywheel, Rotiform 3 piece FUC wheels at 18x9 and 18x12, brand new Toyo R888 tires, etc.
06-28-2017, 11:26 PM
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Eventually they end up on BringATrailer and, if they're lucky, get bid up to 65% of their original asking price. And if the seller is still stubborn, the car remains unsold because of the reserve.
06-28-2017, 11:58 PM
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My god folks. You think someone would pay 80k for a 20 year old nonturbo 993?
This is why I have stayed off this forum for so long. So many folks here are reasonable and provide great advice but when I see things like this I just shake my head and wonder what planet some of you are from. I am sure this will start a war but not my intention.
I am sorry, get reasonable. The world has changed and while 993's are fun they are the past and no one is going to pay $80k+ unless they are collecting and really who are collecting non turbo 993's these days? What two people?
Yes you should have taken $75 you were lucky to get that if that is true.
This is why I have stayed off this forum for so long. So many folks here are reasonable and provide great advice but when I see things like this I just shake my head and wonder what planet some of you are from. I am sure this will start a war but not my intention.
I am sorry, get reasonable. The world has changed and while 993's are fun they are the past and no one is going to pay $80k+ unless they are collecting and really who are collecting non turbo 993's these days? What two people?
Yes you should have taken $75 you were lucky to get that if that is true.
06-29-2017, 01:10 AM
#24
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Interesting you should bring this up. I am looking at a clean manual 993 coupe that the dealer is pretty much willing to trade even for my '05 997. And I think the preferred aircooled model is now the 964. I sold my 964 in 3 days after listing it, and had multiple parties tell me they preferred the 964 to the 993 as they just didn't like the more refined drive of the 993, and felt more connected to he road in the 964. I don't necessarily disagree, but if one really wants that kind of connection, buy a 3.2 or sc. I just never cared for the looks of the 964.
06-29-2017, 02:53 AM
#25
Welcome back. 993 prices have changed since you were here last, looks like
06-29-2017, 04:47 AM
#27
Racer
Though one cannot say so ot on For Sale ads, most people who list their cars for sale on Rennlist are delusional about pricing.
Cars that are priced fairly, sell right away. That's the minority.
The vast majority of 993s, especially on Rennlist, are priced like it was a year or two ago and they sit and sit. If a car is for sale for more than a month, chances are it's because the owner has delusions of grandeur about the price.
Cars that are priced fairly, sell right away. That's the minority.
The vast majority of 993s, especially on Rennlist, are priced like it was a year or two ago and they sit and sit. If a car is for sale for more than a month, chances are it's because the owner has delusions of grandeur about the price.
06-29-2017, 07:04 AM
#28
I had a solid offer of 75k on my Arctic Silver C4S with 73,000 miles on the clock a few weeks back but declined. Really had hoped for 5-8k higher but the offer never came through.
Alas, I think current market demand dictates values today. My car isn't a collector, but meticulously maintained, and modified with a TPC supercharger, Renown USA steering wheel, coilovers, walrod bushings, Limited Slip, lightweight flywheel, Rotiform 3 piece FUC wheels at 18x9 and 18x12, brand new Toyo R888 tires, etc.
Alas, I think current market demand dictates values today. My car isn't a collector, but meticulously maintained, and modified with a TPC supercharger, Renown USA steering wheel, coilovers, walrod bushings, Limited Slip, lightweight flywheel, Rotiform 3 piece FUC wheels at 18x9 and 18x12, brand new Toyo R888 tires, etc.
06-29-2017, 11:42 AM
#29
When something rises a lot, then falls just a little, then in the long run, even with some price corrections, over time, it's still rising.
06-29-2017, 11:59 AM
#30
Every collectible rises and falls...the 993 is no different. When the economy is strong and interest rates are low, investors look for the next 'collectible investment' (that was the name of a muscle car business that I used to own). 993's were one of those investments over the last few years. The big gains are done now, so they are moving on to something else...