nels415

Both Chevron products. Searched the archives for anyone using it, but to no avail. Is there an advantage to using one or the other. Pro-Gard contains Techron, so why not use Pro-Gard? Besides, Costco sells a 4 pack for $10.

-nelson

STLPCA

Nelson
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Techron bottle is a concentrated fuel system cleaner designed to be used at greater intervals than the less concentrated Pro-Gard line of products which are formulated as fuel additives.

In short, Pro-Gard is priced below Techron because its got less of whatever magic potion it is that scrubs the engine.

I might add, I've been using LubroMoly Ventil Sauber Valve Cleaner & Jectron FI Cleaner, but don't have a clue whether they are better than Techron. They do come w/neat little blue funnels though.

Bob D.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Dan 96C2 St.Louis:
<strong>I might add, I've been using LubroMoly Ventil Sauber Valve Cleaner & Jectron FI Cleaner, but don't have a clue whether they are better than Techron. They do come w/neat little blue funnels though.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I used one bottle each of this dynamic duo in about 1/4 tank of gas, and they cured my bad idle, presumably caused by a dirty ISV or the like, like magic. I was prepared to try cleaning or replacing the ISV, but this stuff cured my problem with a single dose. Very impressive. This is not your father's STP....

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Hi Nelson:

From my observations about using Techron and its "brother", Pro-guard; I'd say that Techron works far better.

We use & recommend the LubroMoly stuff; Ventil Sauber (valve clean) and Jectron (FI cleaner) and I'll say that the LubroMoly stuff works faster.

In either case, you cannot go wrong with LM products or Techron.

nels415

Great, thanks for all the feedback guys. Anyone know of a cheap online source for LubroMoly stuff?

-nelson

STLPCA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by nels415:
<strong>Anyone know of a cheap online source for LubroMoly stuff?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Haven't tried them yet, but saved this link posted some time ago: <a href="http://etyparts.com/index%20page%202003.htm" target="_blank">E.T.Y Parts Imports Inc.</a>

nels415

Dan, you are fast. thanks.

-nelson

tom_993

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Bob D.:
I used one bottle each of this dynamic duo in about 1/4 tank of gas, and they cured my bad idle, presumably caused by a dirty ISV or the like, like magic. I was prepared to try cleaning or replacing the ISV, but this stuff cured my problem with a single dose. Very impressive. This is not your father's STP....[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Bob,

I don’t doubt that the Lubro Moly solved your bad idle problem, but it didn’t do it by cleaning your ISV. It solved the problem by cleaning your fuel injectors and/or intake valves. No fuel passes through the ISV, so there is no way it got cleaned during this process. It’s still a good idea to remove and clean the ISV occasionally.

Tom
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hn

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Dan 96C2 St.Louis:
<strong>Nelson
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Techron bottle is a concentrated fuel system cleaner designed to be used at greater intervals than the less concentrated Pro-Gard line of products which are formulated as fuel additives.

In short, Pro-Gard is priced below Techron because its got less of whatever magic potion it is that scrubs the engine.

.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I asked the folks at Chevron and they confirmed the main difference is the much higher concentration.

tom_993

Has anybody tried BG-44K? I see references to it on lot's of other sites, like this one:

<a href="http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php" target="_blank">http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php</a>

There's a thread here that seems to say it's better than Techron:
<a href="http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000119" target="_blank">http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000119</a>

It seems more expensive than LubroMoly:

<a href="http://www.finishlineperformance.com/cgi-bin/shopper?preadd=action&key=M1045" target="_blank">http://www.finishlineperformance.com/cgi-bin/shopper?preadd=action&key=M1045</a>

Tom
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Edward

Nelson,

Thumbs up on E.T.Y. Import Parts. ....not affiliated, just a happy customer.

A bit cheaper still if you order in quantities of &gt;5. And if you have them ship to a business address instead of residential, it will save you on shipping.

Edward

Bob D.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by tom_993:
Bob,
[/QB]
I don’t doubt that the Lubro Moly solved your bad idle problem, but it didn’t do it by cleaning your ISV. It solved the problem by cleaning your fuel injectors and/or intake valves.
Tom
’95 993[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Thanks for the clarification, Tom. I am a learn-as-you-go guy and luckily, I didn't even have to learn this much to solve my problem. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I just tried the easiest possible solution first, and it worked. Wouldn't it be nice if life (and Porsches!) always worked that way?

NeedForSpeed

I am in the process of running a can of BG44 in my 95 cab. I thnk it sat for a while prior to me buying it. I am having starting problems off and on. My neighbor gave me a can of the BG44 (Hes a car dealer) and he swears by the stuff. Says is a lot cheaper that a tune up.

I have put about 50 miles on it right now and it appears that the starting problem is on its way out...

I will keep you updated

john.rogers

Is an oil change recommended after the LubroMoly valve and FI cleaners, or any of these other cleaners, as it is after a Techron treatment?

tom_993

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by john:
<strong>Is an oil change recommended after the LubroMoly valve and FI cleaners, or any of these other cleaners, as it is after a Techron treatment?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Nope. If you change your oil regularly, like 3 or 4 or even 5,000 miles, a change is not needed after an injection cleaner.

You should also use the injection cleaner regularly, so that crap doesn't build up too much.

Tom
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