How well maintained were Your car the first 15 years?
03-08-2016, 06:35 AM
#1
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
How well maintained were Your car the first 15 years?
Hi all!
Porsche clearly states that the 993 should be serviced annually or every 12.500 whichever comes first.
But when I check my servicebooks it seems that the previous owners concentrated moore on miles than years!
Here is an example from my 1994 Carrera:
22.01.96, at 9066 miles, first service, car is 18 months old.
08.10.99, at 23712 miles.
06.06.01, at 30718 miles.
31.05.03, at 35366 miles.
25.06.04, at 41888 miles.
02.09.05, at 51049 miles.
16.07.06, at 57686 miles.
23.09.09, at 62016 miles.
That was the first fifteen years, then there is nothing untill I bought the car:
30.03.15, at 77636 miles.
02.03.16, at 80119 miles.
The previous owner had the oil changed at 75000 miles but didn't bother to have the service book stamped!!
I know for sure that if I bought a new 911 or an almost new 911 I would have it serviced by the book!
And I would not dream of not changing the oil every year!
What about Your cars? How is their service history? Mine could have been a little better but it seems that most of them looks like this? And the engine is as healthy as ever!
And what matters most miles or time? Is it the end of the world if the car is serviced like mine? Street use only and no track days!
Porsche clearly states that the 993 should be serviced annually or every 12.500 whichever comes first.
But when I check my servicebooks it seems that the previous owners concentrated moore on miles than years!
Here is an example from my 1994 Carrera:
22.01.96, at 9066 miles, first service, car is 18 months old.
08.10.99, at 23712 miles.
06.06.01, at 30718 miles.
31.05.03, at 35366 miles.
25.06.04, at 41888 miles.
02.09.05, at 51049 miles.
16.07.06, at 57686 miles.
23.09.09, at 62016 miles.
That was the first fifteen years, then there is nothing untill I bought the car:
30.03.15, at 77636 miles.
02.03.16, at 80119 miles.
The previous owner had the oil changed at 75000 miles but didn't bother to have the service book stamped!!
I know for sure that if I bought a new 911 or an almost new 911 I would have it serviced by the book!
And I would not dream of not changing the oil every year!
What about Your cars? How is their service history? Mine could have been a little better but it seems that most of them looks like this? And the engine is as healthy as ever!
And what matters most miles or time? Is it the end of the world if the car is serviced like mine? Street use only and no track days!
03-08-2016, 08:05 AM
#4
Drifting
So many other things that matter on a 20 year old.
I had a booklet with some pencil writing, that's about it. Fortunately, I ran into the guy who traded the car in to the dealer I was buying it from. He had the car for 13 years. 30 min conversation convinced me that this is the best example I'll find.
I don't bother stamping anything now. I do most of the work myself and keep a log.
I had a booklet with some pencil writing, that's about it. Fortunately, I ran into the guy who traded the car in to the dealer I was buying it from. He had the car for 13 years. 30 min conversation convinced me that this is the best example I'll find.
I don't bother stamping anything now. I do most of the work myself and keep a log.
03-08-2016, 10:19 AM
#5
My routine: change the oil 1x per year (fall) and brake fluid flush 1x every two years. Cheap "insurance" and gets the car looked at regularly. Wear items are visually checked regularly. How you drive the car, where the car is stored and dumb luck are all variables that translate into how the car holds up. Most of the maintenance books I've had/seen have a few stamps but typically end after the warranty is up and/or the owner transitions to an independent.
03-08-2016, 10:57 AM
#6
On my 85 I had a complete book and half of stamps but that came to a stop a couple of years before I bought it and as others have said, no stamps now since I do all the work. My 96 came with nothing....despite having been owned by the same guy for the previous 12 years. Having meticulous records is a definite bonus but when I look at a car, a PPI and a check of the "care and attention" side goes far. IMHO "patina" is one thing but general neglect, broken bits and pieces indicate an attitude that likely carries on to the maintenance side. Personally I wouldn't place much importance on a missed stamp. I'd much prefer to buy from one of these guys on the board than from many dealers with complete records. Cheers
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03-08-2016, 11:37 AM
#9
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Well! In Europe cars imported from North America are known ta have been neglected and lacking proper service history and that is one of the reasons they are worth less than cars sold new in Europe.
Probably Porsches are more well cared for than ordinary family cars but it seems to be a cultural difference that makes cars generally more well maintained in Europe than in North America, and a stamped service book is very very important for 993:s and newer Porsches!
But I can understand that if one intend to keep the car for many years the service as sutch is more important than the stamps!
In Europe it would be really hard to sell a 997 without service book for the same money as a 997 with service book!
Probably Porsches are more well cared for than ordinary family cars but it seems to be a cultural difference that makes cars generally more well maintained in Europe than in North America, and a stamped service book is very very important for 993:s and newer Porsches!
But I can understand that if one intend to keep the car for many years the service as sutch is more important than the stamps!
In Europe it would be really hard to sell a 997 without service book for the same money as a 997 with service book!
03-08-2016, 01:50 PM
#10
Rennlist Member
As with any car purchase, the more documentation you have the more value the car has. I would definitely pay higher dollars for a car that had complete maintenance history. I would pay even ore if the maintenance history was all at the dealer. I know some will balk at this as the notion here is "dealers know nothing about air-cooled cars." But what it shows is that the owner spared no cost maintaining the car.
I would put less credence in a stamped book however. I want to see receipts. And if a carfax report confirms, all the better.
As far as US cars being worth less in Europe it is more likely because it has all the US-spec garbage on it.
I would put less credence in a stamped book however. I want to see receipts. And if a carfax report confirms, all the better.
As far as US cars being worth less in Europe it is more likely because it has all the US-spec garbage on it.
03-08-2016, 02:04 PM
#11
Rennlist Member
When I am no longer around to care for my car, the new owner will think that I have not done maintenance since I bought the car from the last owner. The new owner will be mistaken. I just don't write it all down. Haha.
--Michael
--Michael
03-08-2016, 02:05 PM
#12
Rennlist Member
Well! In Europe cars imported from North America are known ta have been neglected and lacking proper service history and that is one of the reasons they are worth less than cars sold new in Europe.
In Europe it would be really hard to sell a 997 without service book for the same money as a 997 with service book!
In Europe it would be really hard to sell a 997 without service book for the same money as a 997 with service book!
03-08-2016, 02:19 PM
#13
Rennlist Member
In my experience the dealer doesn't even stamp the book anymore. I was leasing a 991 for 2 years and I brought it in for a few scheduled items and they didn't even stamp the book. I asked them to and of course they forgot. They said it was in the system and thats all I needed. My 993 has some past records and I do everything myself now. I keep my receipts and a log. If I ever sell the car the new owner will be happy.
03-08-2016, 02:22 PM
#14
Drifting
As with any car purchase, the more documentation you have the more value the car has. I would definitely pay higher dollars for a car that had complete maintenance history. I would pay even ore if the maintenance history was all at the dealer. I know some will balk at this as the notion here is "dealers know nothing about air-cooled cars." But what it shows is that the owner spared no cost maintaining the car.
I would put less credence in a stamped book however. I want to see receipts. And if a carfax report confirms, all the better.
As far as US cars being worth less in Europe it is more likely because it has all the US-spec garbage on it.
I would put less credence in a stamped book however. I want to see receipts. And if a carfax report confirms, all the better.
As far as US cars being worth less in Europe it is more likely because it has all the US-spec garbage on it.
What about most guys here who do their own wrenching? What about guys who go to aircooled specialists? The truth is that the maitenance is pretty basic and the parts are cheaper from sunset than your local dealer. Majority of the car's value is preserved by proper operation and proper storage, and no dealer receipts will show that.
Instead of dropping thousands at dealer I replaced many parts with new ones that they would have kept as is.
03-08-2016, 03:04 PM
#15
Rennlist Member
I wrench myself as well. In fact, just finishing an engine out service.
When I bought my car from an RL member, he had a very nice spreadsheet documenting all maintenance and parts ordered. Receipts, excel files and all. I also found much of the maintenance was documented right here on these pages. I paid a little more for the car than I may have, but it was worth every single penny.
Again, documentation. Was this worth more than a stamped service book? By all means. But doesn't negate the value of dealer service.
When I bought my car from an RL member, he had a very nice spreadsheet documenting all maintenance and parts ordered. Receipts, excel files and all. I also found much of the maintenance was documented right here on these pages. I paid a little more for the car than I may have, but it was worth every single penny.
Again, documentation. Was this worth more than a stamped service book? By all means. But doesn't negate the value of dealer service.
