Am I crazy?.....thinking of 997 -> 993
04-26-2015, 06:34 PM
#31
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Considering the condition of your car, absolutely not........the 997 can do everything a 993 can do, whether track or cruise, but better........and I am a 993 nut......it is that simple in my book.............
04-26-2015, 07:08 PM
#32
When was the last time there was a thread on catastrophic engine failure in the 993 forum? Been here six years and I don't remember seeing any...
04-26-2015, 07:13 PM
#33
Drifting
Honestly I'm not sure one test drive is going to really truly represent the 993, it's one of those driving experiences you grow to appreciate over time and ownership.
Even when well sorted, they all somewhat drive differently and I've had plenty of seat time in various 993s in our city. Some have more power, some have smoother transmissions and of course the opposite etc.
What you really need to do is get together with some local 993 RLister or enthusiasts and see things first hand.
As great as the 993 is, one thing to keep in mind is these are old cars and they require up keep and attention. If your DIY skills are low, this can get expensive and if your looking at 100K miles plus expect something that eventually needs attention. As value climbs, you'll notice cost of parts are climbing too.
The modern cars are relatively problem free, simple annual maintenance and drive without worries.
I know plenty that have come from newer Porsches, myself included. Majority have no regrets. Good luck!
Even when well sorted, they all somewhat drive differently and I've had plenty of seat time in various 993s in our city. Some have more power, some have smoother transmissions and of course the opposite etc.
What you really need to do is get together with some local 993 RLister or enthusiasts and see things first hand.
As great as the 993 is, one thing to keep in mind is these are old cars and they require up keep and attention. If your DIY skills are low, this can get expensive and if your looking at 100K miles plus expect something that eventually needs attention. As value climbs, you'll notice cost of parts are climbing too.
The modern cars are relatively problem free, simple annual maintenance and drive without worries.
I know plenty that have come from newer Porsches, myself included. Majority have no regrets. Good luck!
04-26-2015, 07:16 PM
#34
04-26-2015, 08:13 PM
#35
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yes C2S is WB
C2S is WB and has much smaller production run (it also has the split grill)
AWD is mostly inactive unless rears are spinning faster than fronts. It adds about 100lb. C4S comes with "big reds" (only available on Turbo and C4S...and RS) All C4/C4S come with LSD/ABD standard (M220 option on other 993, iirc).
C2S is WB and has much smaller production run (it also has the split grill)
AWD is mostly inactive unless rears are spinning faster than fronts. It adds about 100lb. C4S comes with "big reds" (only available on Turbo and C4S...and RS) All C4/C4S come with LSD/ABD standard (M220 option on other 993, iirc).
04-26-2015, 09:07 PM
#36
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I find it hard to take a car seriously when it doesn't have a spare tire...it just goes against the grain of all motor car history. It is part of the dumbing down of the automotive experience...lights that tell you to pull over and call a flatbed...cans of air and glue...suspensions that compensate for a bad driver...telepathic transmissions that decide what gear you should be in...welcome to the land of the lost...997/991 land. You will always know who is the driver and what is the car in a 993.
04-26-2015, 10:07 PM
#37
Race Director
have a 7tt and a 3tt.
For short, aggressive driving, a 993 is more exciting. For regular use, the 7 is far more comfortable and capable.
if I had a daily car and wanted a fun weekend car, I'd stick with the 993. If I intended to us the car often and for more grand touring purposes, then the 7 is the way to go.
I like both and find them different enough to still enjoy driving both.
For short, aggressive driving, a 993 is more exciting. For regular use, the 7 is far more comfortable and capable.
if I had a daily car and wanted a fun weekend car, I'd stick with the 993. If I intended to us the car often and for more grand touring purposes, then the 7 is the way to go.
I like both and find them different enough to still enjoy driving both.
04-27-2015, 08:10 AM
#38
Drifting
This is an interesting thread for me. I've had three 997.1 vehicles since 2007, and sold my last one, an 06 C2S cab to get a Macan S. I've always lusted after 993's, but since my cars were always DD's and were sometimes used on longer trips (up and down the west coast), the 997's were more suitable for me. For the OP, I expect a 993 will be satisfying in different ways than your 997. I think it comes down to the type of use. For every day use, I decided the 997's were best for me. But at this point, for me a 993 would satisfy the urge for a 911 without it having to serve as my only car for DD use.
After a year of not having a 911, I'm finding myself wanting one for more fun, not as a DD. I'm considering a 993, but am shocked at the run-up in prices over the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see if there is any correction when/if there is an overall market correction. But in the long run, I expect the 993's and other earlier 911's will hold their value well.
I'm curious as to the pros/cons of a 95 vs 96/97 non TT so I know what to look for if I decide to get a 993 for fun runs. Do the 95's have the same secondary air and valve guide problems at the 96 and 97 OBDII cars? Also, what kind of miles are the motors good for - will a car with more than 100k miles likely need any significant work? If a top end rebuild has been done, is it a permanent fix for the valve guide and secondary injection issues?
I'm sure I could find the answers to these questions with lots of searching, but hoped to at least get a jump start here.
After a year of not having a 911, I'm finding myself wanting one for more fun, not as a DD. I'm considering a 993, but am shocked at the run-up in prices over the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see if there is any correction when/if there is an overall market correction. But in the long run, I expect the 993's and other earlier 911's will hold their value well.
I'm curious as to the pros/cons of a 95 vs 96/97 non TT so I know what to look for if I decide to get a 993 for fun runs. Do the 95's have the same secondary air and valve guide problems at the 96 and 97 OBDII cars? Also, what kind of miles are the motors good for - will a car with more than 100k miles likely need any significant work? If a top end rebuild has been done, is it a permanent fix for the valve guide and secondary injection issues?
I'm sure I could find the answers to these questions with lots of searching, but hoped to at least get a jump start here.
04-27-2015, 08:47 AM
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I find it hard to take a car seriously when it doesn't have a spare tire...it just goes against the grain of all motor car history. It is part of the dumbing down of the automotive experience...lights that tell you to pull over and call a flatbed...cans of air and glue...suspensions that compensate for a bad driver...telepathic transmissions that decide what gear you should be in...welcome to the land of the lost...997/991 land. You will always know who is the driver and what is the car in a 993.
04-27-2015, 09:14 AM
#40
Race Car
Hi guys........I have a question that I'd like to hear your opinions on. I've done the searches and I know that at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference, but I always value opinions from those who have faced a similar decision.
I have a literally perfect condition 06 997 S Cab, triple black, full leather, sports chrono, and lots of other options. It has 41K on it, and brand new set of MPSS. I drive it about 4-5K a year, and its not a DD. The problem is that every time I see a 993, I can't help thinking that it might still be the most attractive 911 ever made, and I've read so much about the raw driving experience, air cooled oil smell, engine sound, etc., etc. In addition, they are somewhat "rare". The rising value/investment proposition is not that important to me. I have to admit that I haven't driven one yet but intend to in the coming week. I know the drive will likely be the decider, but wanted to see if anyone has done anything similar and made the switch from 997 to 993. I'm not willing to lay out the big bucks for a C2S or C4S, so I will likely be looking for more of an even trade which would mean a C2 in "good" condition with 100K plus on it. For the 993, my preference would be a coupe.
So, I'm thinking of leaving a perfectly maintained, modern driving experience to go to a 20 yr old car with more than 100K on it.
Have any of you guys or gals done this and had no regrets? I'm not worried about maintenance costs if that helps.
Pic of my 997 below.
I have a literally perfect condition 06 997 S Cab, triple black, full leather, sports chrono, and lots of other options. It has 41K on it, and brand new set of MPSS. I drive it about 4-5K a year, and its not a DD. The problem is that every time I see a 993, I can't help thinking that it might still be the most attractive 911 ever made, and I've read so much about the raw driving experience, air cooled oil smell, engine sound, etc., etc. In addition, they are somewhat "rare". The rising value/investment proposition is not that important to me. I have to admit that I haven't driven one yet but intend to in the coming week. I know the drive will likely be the decider, but wanted to see if anyone has done anything similar and made the switch from 997 to 993. I'm not willing to lay out the big bucks for a C2S or C4S, so I will likely be looking for more of an even trade which would mean a C2 in "good" condition with 100K plus on it. For the 993, my preference would be a coupe.
So, I'm thinking of leaving a perfectly maintained, modern driving experience to go to a 20 yr old car with more than 100K on it.
Have any of you guys or gals done this and had no regrets? I'm not worried about maintenance costs if that helps.
Pic of my 997 below.
04-27-2015, 09:51 AM
#42
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04-27-2015, 11:18 AM
#43
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OP- I went through this same questioning when I was buying. I really like the modern amenities of the 997- especially on a long trip - but I couldn't get past the potential for IMS failure and the air-coolers sound SO good. I obviously ended up with a 993 and haven't regretted a minute of it. If I had more room and money- i'd probably have both.
