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Originally posted by lexpilot
Eric,
Thank you for your constructive help.
Robin
Eric,
Thank you for your constructive help.
Robin
No trouble!
The installation of the stuff is very easy to do, and the overall cost of the material in a 911 would not be much, because the car is so small.
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Robin,
Somehow, I love loud exhaust and engine notes, and tire noise has never bothered me. However, rattles and squeaks drive me crazy. Just yesterday, I spend over two hours taking my driver seat (and almost everything under it) out of the car to fish out a Palm Pilot stylus that was clanging around in a hidden recess.
As someone who traded in a 2000 MB S500 on the 993TT, we share a similar transition story. I'm curious, though - what led you to buy a 993? Personally, I couldn't stand how soft and quiet the MB was! I can't imagine how much worse a Lexus would be!
You have to forgive the posters on this board, who are much more interested in tracking their cars and increasing noise levels. There's a few show-car guys on Rennlist, but I believe they are in the minority.
Somehow, I love loud exhaust and engine notes, and tire noise has never bothered me. However, rattles and squeaks drive me crazy. Just yesterday, I spend over two hours taking my driver seat (and almost everything under it) out of the car to fish out a Palm Pilot stylus that was clanging around in a hidden recess.
As someone who traded in a 2000 MB S500 on the 993TT, we share a similar transition story. I'm curious, though - what led you to buy a 993? Personally, I couldn't stand how soft and quiet the MB was! I can't imagine how much worse a Lexus would be!
You have to forgive the posters on this board, who are much more interested in tracking their cars and increasing noise levels. There's a few show-car guys on Rennlist, but I believe they are in the minority.
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Anir,
The 993 coupe I bought is a toy car for me as it appears to be for many of the other posters. I've not driven a Range Rover but I imagine it to be pretty soft in the corners. Actually, I really enjoyed both of my LS 400 cars. They handled well for a sedan and the '99 had a nice 5 speed auto and more than adequate power in the passing lane. I've only owned one Benz and it was an E body. I liked it it just that Lexus gives you a car more equivalent to an S body for the E body price. I live in Bend and we do not have many 4 lane roads. Mostly 2 lane so passing is part of daily life. The road east of here is very straight through high desert for about 120 miles and with a good radar you can cruise along at 100 very safely in a Lexus or an Avalon.
I am not trying to quiet the exhaust at all. I just want to reduce the road noise. My Proxes 17" tires only have about 5000 miles on them. My Duramax Diesel pickup is much quieter than my 993. Gobs of torque (520 ft. lbs.) and it tows my trailer and boat uphill on cruise faster than most people drive their sedans. Our club has some lengthy trips coming up this fall and I'd like to reduce the drone.
Motivation: 57 years old, retired for about 4 years now. Mid-Life Crisis? I bought this particular 993 because it is a head turner. Shiny black with chromed 17" Porsche Turbo wheels. I am amazed at the number of people who turn their heads. This was a small town when I moved here and I know a lot of people already so I don't get the prestige factor that those who live in the big city do. It's a nice conversation piece. Local PCA had 30 cars out of 65 for a poker run ending in a barbecue last Saturday. Good club. A bunch of well to do locals who are nice because they can afford to be.
So my judgement is: The 993 is fun to drive. Great for club events. But for a long drive a Lexus V8 or a Benz V8 is a better choice. For that matter an Avalon or an Acura 3.2 is a better choice if you want to arrive rested. I just got back last week from a road trip to Colorado Springs, about 2600 miles round trip. Drove US hiway 20 across the USA to Kennebunport down to Savannah and back about 4 years ago in the wife's 99 Avalon. Worked great. The racer types have their need. I've got mine.
So take your best shot boys.
The 993 coupe I bought is a toy car for me as it appears to be for many of the other posters. I've not driven a Range Rover but I imagine it to be pretty soft in the corners. Actually, I really enjoyed both of my LS 400 cars. They handled well for a sedan and the '99 had a nice 5 speed auto and more than adequate power in the passing lane. I've only owned one Benz and it was an E body. I liked it it just that Lexus gives you a car more equivalent to an S body for the E body price. I live in Bend and we do not have many 4 lane roads. Mostly 2 lane so passing is part of daily life. The road east of here is very straight through high desert for about 120 miles and with a good radar you can cruise along at 100 very safely in a Lexus or an Avalon.
I am not trying to quiet the exhaust at all. I just want to reduce the road noise. My Proxes 17" tires only have about 5000 miles on them. My Duramax Diesel pickup is much quieter than my 993. Gobs of torque (520 ft. lbs.) and it tows my trailer and boat uphill on cruise faster than most people drive their sedans. Our club has some lengthy trips coming up this fall and I'd like to reduce the drone.
Motivation: 57 years old, retired for about 4 years now. Mid-Life Crisis? I bought this particular 993 because it is a head turner. Shiny black with chromed 17" Porsche Turbo wheels. I am amazed at the number of people who turn their heads. This was a small town when I moved here and I know a lot of people already so I don't get the prestige factor that those who live in the big city do. It's a nice conversation piece. Local PCA had 30 cars out of 65 for a poker run ending in a barbecue last Saturday. Good club. A bunch of well to do locals who are nice because they can afford to be.
So my judgement is: The 993 is fun to drive. Great for club events. But for a long drive a Lexus V8 or a Benz V8 is a better choice. For that matter an Avalon or an Acura 3.2 is a better choice if you want to arrive rested. I just got back last week from a road trip to Colorado Springs, about 2600 miles round trip. Drove US hiway 20 across the USA to Kennebunport down to Savannah and back about 4 years ago in the wife's 99 Avalon. Worked great. The racer types have their need. I've got mine.
So take your best shot boys.
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lexipilot:
A cheap sound deadening material that i've seen used (not sure it's an applicable use, however, as I'm unversed in the specifics) to reduce engine noises, and other intrusive drones is "dynamat." I'm not sure if it's been covered in an above post, but you should be able to find rolls of it at any local radion/stero install joint, and it shouldn't cost you too much, and is rather maleable (in form), so it can be applied in curved/contoured spaces.
I don't think you should see the comments as "potshots" at you, but rather comments to bring to bear the notion that: Porsche's has always been sports car (save perhaps the cayanne), and the notion of making a sports car into a GT car is counter-intuative; it's akin to someone asking you which roll cage to put in their GS300. It's just an acknowledged compromise... if you want a sportscar, there's a few things you "shouldn't" expect.
A cheap sound deadening material that i've seen used (not sure it's an applicable use, however, as I'm unversed in the specifics) to reduce engine noises, and other intrusive drones is "dynamat." I'm not sure if it's been covered in an above post, but you should be able to find rolls of it at any local radion/stero install joint, and it shouldn't cost you too much, and is rather maleable (in form), so it can be applied in curved/contoured spaces.
I don't think you should see the comments as "potshots" at you, but rather comments to bring to bear the notion that: Porsche's has always been sports car (save perhaps the cayanne), and the notion of making a sports car into a GT car is counter-intuative; it's akin to someone asking you which roll cage to put in their GS300. It's just an acknowledged compromise... if you want a sportscar, there's a few things you "shouldn't" expect.
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Originally posted by Hubert
lexipilot:
A cheap sound deadening material that i've seen used (not sure it's an applicable use, however, as I'm unversed in the specifics) to reduce engine noises, and other intrusive drones is "dynamat."
lexipilot:
A cheap sound deadening material that i've seen used (not sure it's an applicable use, however, as I'm unversed in the specifics) to reduce engine noises, and other intrusive drones is "dynamat."
Barrier materials are the way to go. I posted some links and if you can find the tech info on that page , you can read about the difference.
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Robin,
Welcome to the 993 owners club. Personally, I enjoy thrashing the crap out of my car on the track but can still appreciate those who prefer to baby their cars and participate in other types of owner activities.
The 993 is pure sports car and is much less compromised than other cars when it comes to isolating the driver from road and engine noises. In fact, Porsche has an entire division devoted to fine tuning vehicle acoustics and maximizing the driving experience. They are actually quite fanatical when it comes to what the driver hears as it is these very noises that have become something of a Porsche, and 911 in particular, trademark.
With that said, tire noise is quite annoying. I bought a set of Yokohama Parada's for my wife's Miata. Within 10k miles, they made so much noise I could barely stand to drive the car. Thankfully, my wife seems to be immune to tire noise, brake squeal, tooth rattling vibrations, red lights in the dash, dings, dents, engine shudders, misses, alarms, smoke from nearly any source, and the occasional unfortunate rodent caught in the undercarriage. She thought everything was peachy. I digress...
I don't know much about Toyo tires, but submit that with only 5k miles on them, you may have an alignment problem. As it turns out, my wifes Miata was waaay out of alignment (she had no idea why...) causing accelerated tire wear and "cupping" on her Paradas. Toyo Proxes tires have an aggressive tread pattern (as did the Paradas) that may become cupped or lipped easily, creating tons of ANNOYING road noise.
I suggest having the alignment checked and set to the factory specs. If you replace the tires, choose a tire that has a more conventional tread pattern such as a Bridgestone S-03 with a continuous center rib or something similar. Take a look at www.tirerack.com for consumer reviews of nearly every tire available for your car. It's your second best source of helpful information about tires, next to Rennlist, of course!
Best of luck and enjoy your 993.
MC
Welcome to the 993 owners club. Personally, I enjoy thrashing the crap out of my car on the track but can still appreciate those who prefer to baby their cars and participate in other types of owner activities.
The 993 is pure sports car and is much less compromised than other cars when it comes to isolating the driver from road and engine noises. In fact, Porsche has an entire division devoted to fine tuning vehicle acoustics and maximizing the driving experience. They are actually quite fanatical when it comes to what the driver hears as it is these very noises that have become something of a Porsche, and 911 in particular, trademark.
With that said, tire noise is quite annoying. I bought a set of Yokohama Parada's for my wife's Miata. Within 10k miles, they made so much noise I could barely stand to drive the car. Thankfully, my wife seems to be immune to tire noise, brake squeal, tooth rattling vibrations, red lights in the dash, dings, dents, engine shudders, misses, alarms, smoke from nearly any source, and the occasional unfortunate rodent caught in the undercarriage. She thought everything was peachy. I digress...
I don't know much about Toyo tires, but submit that with only 5k miles on them, you may have an alignment problem. As it turns out, my wifes Miata was waaay out of alignment (she had no idea why...) causing accelerated tire wear and "cupping" on her Paradas. Toyo Proxes tires have an aggressive tread pattern (as did the Paradas) that may become cupped or lipped easily, creating tons of ANNOYING road noise.
I suggest having the alignment checked and set to the factory specs. If you replace the tires, choose a tire that has a more conventional tread pattern such as a Bridgestone S-03 with a continuous center rib or something similar. Take a look at www.tirerack.com for consumer reviews of nearly every tire available for your car. It's your second best source of helpful information about tires, next to Rennlist, of course!
Best of luck and enjoy your 993.
MC
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My stomach is churning...
Best ways to make your 993 LOUDER:
1. RSR mufflers (or others)
2. Open or drilled airbox
3. Bald tires
4. Make sure its a Cab
5. Remove sound pad - 993s have one right?
6. Remove engine tray
7. ?
Best ways to make your 993 LOUDER:
1. RSR mufflers (or others)
2. Open or drilled airbox
3. Bald tires
4. Make sure its a Cab
5. Remove sound pad - 993s have one right?
6. Remove engine tray
7. ?
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Originally posted by Hubert
I don't think you should see the comments as "potshots" at you, but rather comments to bring to bear the notion that: Porsche's has always been sports car (save perhaps the cayanne), and the notion of making a sports car into a GT car is counter-intuative; it's akin to someone asking you which roll cage to put in their GS300. It's just an acknowledged compromise... if you want a sportscar, there's a few things you "shouldn't" expect.
I don't think you should see the comments as "potshots" at you, but rather comments to bring to bear the notion that: Porsche's has always been sports car (save perhaps the cayanne), and the notion of making a sports car into a GT car is counter-intuative; it's akin to someone asking you which roll cage to put in their GS300. It's just an acknowledged compromise... if you want a sportscar, there's a few things you "shouldn't" expect.
Robin,
You make a good point about the Range Rover. It's indeed quiet inside, and soft in corners. Still, I love the thing - much more than I did the Benz.
I certainly do feel more rested after a 10 hour drive in the Rover than in the 993. But then, I didn't buy the 993 to relax! Interestingly, I actually think the 993 is now too soft and quiet after spending a weekend in a Formula Dodge car at Skip Barber!
Congrats on your car. I agree with some of the others that a new set of quieter tires might do wonders for the drone - especially if your current tires are older and have hardened.
Last edited by Anir; Aug 20, 2003 at 08:30 PM.