Air Cooled Prices Through the Roof - Panorama
#91
Buddy of mine just called on this '98 C2S at Canepa... $130k...
http://www.canepacollection.com/deta...-12030224.html
http://www.canepacollection.com/deta...-12030224.html
Last edited by FlatSix911; 06-01-2014 at 09:19 PM.
#92
On cab vs. coupe values, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that I'm right. Cabs were more expensive than coupes when the cars were new and that has continued to be the case in the used market. The 993 market is no different in this respect than other aspects of the collector car market - open cars are ALWAYS more valuable than comparable closed cars. Everything from pre-war classics (Packard, Rolls Royce, Duesenberg) and Enzo-era Ferraris (compare 250 California Spyder to 250 PF Coupe or Daytona coupe to Daytona spyder) and 356 cabs to coupes. Some people like coupes more than cabs because they're stiffer and better for the track, but other people like the wind in their hair. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
#93
I would think that 993 production numbers are not in line with your list of cars above. Moreover, cabs of this year vintage (993 and 964) may be more expensive to clean up for a prospective new owner compared to a coupe because of the soft top. That soft top may require replacement during this stage in life. The market adjusts for that.
#94
+ 1 I like the lines of the 993 cab with the top up.....But that is not why you would buy one..there in lies the paradox.
#95
Not sure I follow that logic. By that rationale, a 993 Turbo would be cheaper than a normally aspirated 993 because the turbos wear out over time and need to be replaced. Also, riviera blue 993s would be cheaper than 993s in other other colors because they're more likely to oxidize and need more upkeep. Both not the case.
#96
Cabs were more expensive than coupes when the cars were new and that has continued to be the case in the used market. The 993 market is no different in this respect than other aspects of the collector car market - open cars are ALWAYS more valuable than comparable closed cars.
#97
Cabs were more expensive than coupes when the cars were new and that has continued to be the case in the used market. The 993 market is no different in this respect than other aspects of the collector car market - open cars are ALWAYS more valuable than comparable closed cars. Everything from pre-war classics (Packard, Rolls Royce, Duesenberg) and Enzo-era Ferraris (compare 250 California Spyder to 250 PF Coupe or Daytona coupe to Daytona spyder) and 356 cabs to coupes. Some people like coupes more than cabs because they're stiffer and better for the track, but other people like the wind in their hair. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
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maybe true at some point
if the same, then how can open cars be more valuable??
#98
Not sure I follow that logic. By that rationale, a 993 Turbo would be cheaper than a normally aspirated 993 because the turbos wear out over time and need to be replaced. Also, riviera blue 993s would be cheaper than 993s in other other colors because they're more likely to oxidize and need more upkeep. Both not the case.
#101
My perception from following 911 pricing is that used cabs don't seem to maintain the price premium they command when new.
The phenomenon doesn't seem to be unique to 993's. Rather from what I have observed it seems to span all gens of the 911.
The phenomenon doesn't seem to be unique to 993's. Rather from what I have observed it seems to span all gens of the 911.
#102
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In my travels I have yet to see demand for a cab as stong as it is for coupe...
I have also seen cabs listed for more money then coupes but not sell whereas the coupes move fairly quick at the same prices as the cabs are listed for...
I have also seen cabs listed for more money then coupes but not sell whereas the coupes move fairly quick at the same prices as the cabs are listed for...
#103
Not looking to beat a dead horse and certainly not looking to pump up the market for cabs (I'm an m&a lawyer). I guess others' experiences are different from mine. Anyway, it's all academic for me as I'll never sell my 911 or buy another aircooled 911 since flachbaus (the only other 911 that holds any attraction for me) weren't made in cab form. However, I won't rule out a water pumper as a dd. In any event, this whole value discussion is a little odd for me since I consider my 911 to be squarely in the liabilities column (rather than being an appreciating asset) and so drive it as much as possible assuming that it will go to my son to enjoy after I'm gone. Hope to see you all out on the road or at the track.
#104
Yes, got the sarcasm part...so he tried to personally attack the messenger. Pretty childish.
On cab vs. coupe values, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that I'm right. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
On cab vs. coupe values, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that I'm right. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
That would be to simple an agenda. Reminds me of an old proverb: He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool. Shun him.
#105
Not really much evidence of Cabs commanding a lower price than Coupes. All things being equal in terms of service, mileage, etc. prices for Cabs and Coupes are similar, just a smaller market for Cabs. All versions of 993's (and all air cooled 911's for that matter) are seeing increases in prices, some more than others (WB's, Turbo's, etc), but they are all increasing, Cabs included.