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Old 05-22-2014 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JZ98-993
Buddy of mine just called on this '98 C2S at Canepa... $130k...

http://www.canepacollection.com/deta...-12030224.html
Stay away from Canepa ... do a search to find out why this is a good idea

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Old 05-23-2014 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Todynot
You catch on fast...it's call sarcasm.

Anyone who thinks a cabs are more desirable and/or expensive than NB coupe doesn't know what they're talking about.
Yes, got the sarcasm part. That was obvious. The part I didn't understand was why the poster used sarcasm in this case. I guess he couldn't refute the substance of my argument, so he tried to personally attack the messenger. Pretty childish.

On cab vs. coupe values, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that I'm right. Cabs were more expensive than coupes when the cars were new and that has continued to be the case in the used market. The 993 market is no different in this respect than other aspects of the collector car market - open cars are ALWAYS more valuable than comparable closed cars. Everything from pre-war classics (Packard, Rolls Royce, Duesenberg) and Enzo-era Ferraris (compare 250 California Spyder to 250 PF Coupe or Daytona coupe to Daytona spyder) and 356 cabs to coupes. Some people like coupes more than cabs because they're stiffer and better for the track, but other people like the wind in their hair. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
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I would think that 993 production numbers are not in line with your list of cars above. Moreover, cabs of this year vintage (993 and 964) may be more expensive to clean up for a prospective new owner compared to a coupe because of the soft top. That soft top may require replacement during this stage in life. The market adjusts for that.
Old 05-23-2014 | 03:41 PM
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I think coupes are more desirable simply because of the lines of the 911. It's a beautiful shape that is broken up in cabriolet form.

Also, if one has any intention of tracking the car, most will want a coupe.
+ 1 I like the lines of the 993 cab with the top up.....But that is not why you would buy one..there in lies the paradox.
Old 05-23-2014 | 07:02 PM
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Moreover, cabs of this year vintage (993 and 964) may be more expensive to clean up for a prospective new owner compared to a coupe because of the soft top. That soft top may require replacement during this stage in life. The market adjusts for that.
Not sure I follow that logic. By that rationale, a 993 Turbo would be cheaper than a normally aspirated 993 because the turbos wear out over time and need to be replaced. Also, riviera blue 993s would be cheaper than 993s in other other colors because they're more likely to oxidize and need more upkeep. Both not the case.
Old 05-23-2014 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JJJMCD
Cabs were more expensive than coupes when the cars were new and that has continued to be the case in the used market. The 993 market is no different in this respect than other aspects of the collector car market - open cars are ALWAYS more valuable than comparable closed cars.
Wrong again.
Old 05-23-2014 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JJJMCD
Cabs were more expensive than coupes when the cars were new and that has continued to be the case in the used market. The 993 market is no different in this respect than other aspects of the collector car market - open cars are ALWAYS more valuable than comparable closed cars. Everything from pre-war classics (Packard, Rolls Royce, Duesenberg) and Enzo-era Ferraris (compare 250 California Spyder to 250 PF Coupe or Daytona coupe to Daytona spyder) and 356 cabs to coupes. Some people like coupes more than cabs because they're stiffer and better for the track, but other people like the wind in their hair. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
re. the bolded sections
true
false
maybe true at some point
if the same, then how can open cars be more valuable??
Old 05-23-2014 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JJJMCD
Not sure I follow that logic. By that rationale, a 993 Turbo would be cheaper than a normally aspirated 993 because the turbos wear out over time and need to be replaced. Also, riviera blue 993s would be cheaper than 993s in other other colors because they're more likely to oxidize and need more upkeep. Both not the case.
Yup. Sure didn't follow that logic. Were 993TTs prices the same as NA 993s? Are beat up cars cheaper than cars that are cared for? Am I wasting bandwidth?
Old 05-23-2014 | 10:53 PM
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JJJMCD must have a horde of cabs he's trying to unload.
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Originally Posted by Todynot
JJJMCD must have a horde of cabs he's trying to unload.
Old 05-23-2014 | 11:08 PM
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My perception from following 911 pricing is that used cabs don't seem to maintain the price premium they command when new.

The phenomenon doesn't seem to be unique to 993's. Rather from what I have observed it seems to span all gens of the 911.
Old 05-23-2014 | 11:09 PM
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In my travels I have yet to see demand for a cab as stong as it is for coupe...
I have also seen cabs listed for more money then coupes but not sell whereas the coupes move fairly quick at the same prices as the cabs are listed for...
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Not looking to beat a dead horse and certainly not looking to pump up the market for cabs (I'm an m&a lawyer). I guess others' experiences are different from mine. Anyway, it's all academic for me as I'll never sell my 911 or buy another aircooled 911 since flachbaus (the only other 911 that holds any attraction for me) weren't made in cab form. However, I won't rule out a water pumper as a dd. In any event, this whole value discussion is a little odd for me since I consider my 911 to be squarely in the liabilities column (rather than being an appreciating asset) and so drive it as much as possible assuming that it will go to my son to enjoy after I'm gone. Hope to see you all out on the road or at the track.
Old 05-23-2014 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JJJMCD
Yes, got the sarcasm part...so he tried to personally attack the messenger. Pretty childish.

On cab vs. coupe values, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that I'm right. Regardless, the value equation is the same.
I am sure you are a nice guy, albeit a misinformed one. You continuously contradict yourself in addition to misunderstanding the 993 market. Using "tongue in cheek" sarcasm is by no means a "personal attack." Then you conflate "opinion" with "fact." Lastly, how can the value equation be "the same" when your [incorrectly] asserting that cabs are valued higher than coupes.

Originally Posted by Todynot
JJJMCD must have a horde of cabs he's trying to unload.
That would be to simple an agenda. Reminds me of an old proverb: He that knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool. Shun him.
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Originally Posted by Ray S
My perception from following 911 pricing is that used cabs don't seem to maintain the price premium they command when new.

The phenomenon doesn't seem to be unique to 993's. Rather from what I have observed it seems to span all gens of the 911.
Not really much evidence of Cabs commanding a lower price than Coupes. All things being equal in terms of service, mileage, etc. prices for Cabs and Coupes are similar, just a smaller market for Cabs. All versions of 993's (and all air cooled 911's for that matter) are seeing increases in prices, some more than others (WB's, Turbo's, etc), but they are all increasing, Cabs included.


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