OIL, yet again!
05-09-2014, 08:29 PM
#16
Rennlist Member
Stand by my post in an earlier thread: I have near zero trust in these factory recommendations for the older models. Until recently, they heartily endorsed low-viscosity and low-ZDDP oils for ALL MODELS. Not their problem, since they don't have to deal with excessive wear on their dime.
No qualifiers, no exceptions. The party line was that the new oils are just "better".
I am sure they are, but now all of the sudden we are supposed to run a 60 weight oil?
Whatever.
Sticking with Brad Penn at $4 a quart. V-Twin or Motul 300V if I am feeling fancy.
Matt
No qualifiers, no exceptions. The party line was that the new oils are just "better".
I am sure they are, but now all of the sudden we are supposed to run a 60 weight oil?
Whatever.
Sticking with Brad Penn at $4 a quart. V-Twin or Motul 300V if I am feeling fancy.
Matt
05-09-2014, 11:29 PM
#18
Race Car
Anyone here ever used Liqui-Moly oil? Apparently they mfg the oil in your "mobil 1" or license the chemical make up.....something like that. Anyway, the guy working on my track Boxster swears by it. German made, high ZDDP......
Just curious. I don't have enough experience with it yet to make any determinations. It' s weird consistency and color but apparently works well
Just curious. I don't have enough experience with it yet to make any determinations. It' s weird consistency and color but apparently works well
05-10-2014, 11:35 AM
#19
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Join Date: Jan 1997
Location: ^^ Werk 1 pictured Yr '00 .. Vail, Colorado
Posts: 2,522
Received 72 Likes
on
59 Posts
Waaaay off topic ..
The German oil brand Liqui-Moly is of a select few NA available oils which provide the 505.01 spec required for several of Volkswagen TDI engines; Pumpe Duse TDI, etc.
The 505.01 spec oils (not 505.00) incorporate an additive said to inhibit "oil shear" which results at the operation of the camshaft driven injection pump. Ala Pumpe Duse.
The full synthetic 505.01 spec SAE 5w-40 Pentosin brand oil is what our 1.9 (BRM) TDI has used since day one. 135k miles and no camshaft R&R on the horizon; a recent 130K mi. inspection during a timing belt R & R indicates minor wear consistent with mileage. Knock on wood.
Back on Topic:
The vehicle distributor VW of America would spec the incorrect oil SAE 10w-30 (for PD TDI use) for years with the NA dealership network following suit. Just ask a North American MY05.5 thru MY07 Golf/Jetta PD TDI owner. There is a significant early camshaft failure rate with incorrect oil and service interval as a root cause. A couple of TSBs attempt to remedy this... to late.
The 505.01 spec oils (not 505.00) incorporate an additive said to inhibit "oil shear" which results at the operation of the camshaft driven injection pump. Ala Pumpe Duse.
The full synthetic 505.01 spec SAE 5w-40 Pentosin brand oil is what our 1.9 (BRM) TDI has used since day one. 135k miles and no camshaft R&R on the horizon; a recent 130K mi. inspection during a timing belt R & R indicates minor wear consistent with mileage. Knock on wood.
Back on Topic:
The vehicle distributor VW of America would spec the incorrect oil SAE 10w-30 (for PD TDI use) for years with the NA dealership network following suit. Just ask a North American MY05.5 thru MY07 Golf/Jetta PD TDI owner. There is a significant early camshaft failure rate with incorrect oil and service interval as a root cause. A couple of TSBs attempt to remedy this... to late.
05-10-2014, 01:18 PM
#20
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
There are still too many opinions and too many so called 'experts' that offer a variety of view points, so it would actually be nice to close this chapter.
05-10-2014, 01:58 PM
#21
RL Technical Advisor
Stand by my post in an earlier thread: I have near zero trust in these factory recommendations for the older models. Until recently, they heartily endorsed low-viscosity and low-ZDDP oils for ALL MODELS. Not their problem, since they don't have to deal with excessive wear on their dime.
No qualifiers, no exceptions. The party line was that the new oils are just "better".
No qualifiers, no exceptions. The party line was that the new oils are just "better".
Porsche sacrificed their credibility on this subject, simply for the sake of expediency and I'll not trust them again for these applications.
05-10-2014, 05:50 PM
#22
Totally concur. I've seen what happens when one used that Mobil 1 0w-40 swill in air-cooled engines and its not pretty.
Porsche sacrificed their credibility on this subject, simply for the sake of expediency and I'll not trust them again for these applications.
Porsche sacrificed their credibility on this subject, simply for the sake of expediency and I'll not trust them again for these applications.
I've been waffling back and forth about which weight oil to use here in MN. Seriously, there are so many options, it is a bit dizzying.
I drive my car year round - 5 or 6 days a week. My annual mileage is under 10K miles. I don't track, DE, or AutoX my car. 85K miles on it now.
I used synthetic 10w-40 last year and over the winter we had a day where the -high- temperature was -14 F. Engine turned over slowly, but started as I expected after sitting outside all day.
The cold temperatures swayed me to purchase 0w-40 synthetic for my (due now) current oil change.
Are your comments about 0w-40 only directed at Mobil 1?
Can you recommend an oil weight for me given my driving pattern and climate?
My apologies to the OP for the thread-jacking!
05-10-2014, 06:25 PM
#23
Race Director
05-10-2014, 06:37 PM
#24
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Oil opinions can seem like circular discussions as no one has had, as they say in the advertisements, "an oil related engine failure" go figure?
05-10-2014, 08:00 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
You ask someone that has opened up tens, or hundreds, of these engines for their experience correlating failure and premature wear patterns with the oils used.
Best,
Matt
05-10-2014, 08:14 PM
#27
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Join Date: Jan 1997
Location: ^^ Werk 1 pictured Yr '00 .. Vail, Colorado
Posts: 2,522
Received 72 Likes
on
59 Posts
Back in the day; 1998 .... Bruce Andersen, Excellence Technical Editor
Edit/Delete text....
I used synthetic 10w-40 last year and over the winter we had a day where the -high- temperature was -14 F. Engine turned over slowly, but started as I expected after sitting outside all day.
The cold temperatures swayed me to purchase 0w-40 synthetic for my (due now) current oil change.
I used synthetic 10w-40 last year and over the winter we had a day where the -high- temperature was -14 F. Engine turned over slowly, but started as I expected after sitting outside all day.
The cold temperatures swayed me to purchase 0w-40 synthetic for my (due now) current oil change.
The answer invariably was SAE 5W-30.
Something about the balance between leaking oil, lubrication and consumption through burning.
BesideTheBox - When you speak of neg -14F as a high temp of the day ... I hear ya. We lived in Minny for 3 years during a IT engagement. Cold baby cold. Took up ice fishing .. out the front door was Lake Harriett. Zero degree F is a heat wave ....
SAE 5w-30 was used in our UrS6, S4, 993 and wife's 986. Cold, man cold.
05-10-2014, 11:35 PM
#28
Race Car
The German oil brand Liqui-Moly is of a select few NA available oils which provide the 505.01 spec required for several of Volkswagen TDI engines; Pumpe Duse TDI, etc.
The 505.01 spec oils (not 505.00) incorporate an additive said to inhibit "oil shear" which results at the operation of the camshaft driven injection pump. Ala Pumpe Duse.
The full synthetic 505.01 spec SAE 5w-40 Pentosin brand oil is what our 1.9 (BRM) TDI has used since day one. 135k miles and no camshaft R&R on the horizon; a recent 130K mi. inspection during a timing belt R & R indicates minor wear consistent with mileage. Knock on wood.
The 505.01 spec oils (not 505.00) incorporate an additive said to inhibit "oil shear" which results at the operation of the camshaft driven injection pump. Ala Pumpe Duse.
The full synthetic 505.01 spec SAE 5w-40 Pentosin brand oil is what our 1.9 (BRM) TDI has used since day one. 135k miles and no camshaft R&R on the horizon; a recent 130K mi. inspection during a timing belt R & R indicates minor wear consistent with mileage. Knock on wood.
I've not put it in my 993, but the wrench is putting it in my track Boxster ('02)
05-11-2014, 03:29 PM
#29
Back in the day of the 993s production years this question would come up.
The answer invariably was SAE 5W-30.
Something about the balance between leaking oil, lubrication and consumption through burning.
BesideTheBox - When you speak of neg -14F as a high temp of the day ... I hear ya. We lived in Minny for 3 years during a IT engagement. Cold baby cold. Took up ice fishing .. out the front door was Lake Harriett. Zero degree F is a heat wave ....
SAE 5w-30 was used in our UrS6, S4, 993 and wife's 986. Cold, man cold.
The answer invariably was SAE 5W-30.
Something about the balance between leaking oil, lubrication and consumption through burning.
BesideTheBox - When you speak of neg -14F as a high temp of the day ... I hear ya. We lived in Minny for 3 years during a IT engagement. Cold baby cold. Took up ice fishing .. out the front door was Lake Harriett. Zero degree F is a heat wave ....
SAE 5w-30 was used in our UrS6, S4, 993 and wife's 986. Cold, man cold.
Almost 40 years in MN for me now. I don't mind the cold and the snow, but the winter season is waaaay toooo loooong.
05-11-2014, 04:29 PM
#30
Rennlist Member
Oil is very simple for me. It goes like this "Bill (Pfister that is), need an oil change, put whatever you would put in your car"
That happens to be Brad Penn.
That happens to be Brad Penn.