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Old 02-16-2014, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FlatSix911
Any idea how the new test will work for OBDI and pre 1996 cars?
The technician said this is for OBD II only.
Old 02-16-2014, 06:00 PM
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I had a smog test done on my 1995 OBDI 993 about one month ago. No dyno, but there was definitely a sniffer placed in the tail pipe + visual test. They checked emission levels at idle and 2500rpm.

I think different counties have different requirements that can be in addition to state requirements. Either way I passed with 100 cell cats and the tech didn't even look at the exhaust pipes nor did he really look for smog equipment (SAI system is removed). Lucky for me, I was dreading swapping exhaust again!
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Originally Posted by chaoscreature
I had a smog test done on my 1995 OBDI 993 about one month ago. No dyno, but there was definitely a sniffer placed in the tail pipe + visual test. They checked emission levels at idle and 2500rpm.

I think different counties have different requirements that can be in addition to state requirements. Either way I passed with 100 cell cats and the tech didn't even look at the exhaust pipes nor did he really look for smog equipment (SAI system is removed). Lucky for me, I was dreading swapping exhaust again!
Good to hear that the Dyno test under load has been eliminated
Old 02-16-2014, 09:26 PM
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Phoenix, AZ has the dyno with sniffer, I hope they get rid of it here...
Old 02-17-2014, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by flying_low
I just complete a SMOG test on my 993. The shop in San Ramon has a new beta SMOG which just plugs into the OBD II port and wireless send the data to the machine connected to the state BAR. The car is just idled for 5 mins. No rollers nor exhaust sniffer.
Nice to see BAR showing some pity for our old air-cooled engines. Thanks for sharing this great news!!
Old 02-17-2014, 07:18 PM
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I got my car smogged the other week.

I detailed my problems with the computer not being able to communicate with the DMV's computer (which was overcome by cycling the key fob as detailed in another thread). No rollers for me (I have AWD on my 4S anyway) but it was just a standard sniffer at idle and 2500rpm as well.
Old 02-18-2014, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by chaoscreature
I had a smog test done on my 1995 OBDI 993 about one month ago. No dyno, but there was definitely a sniffer placed in the tail pipe + visual test. They checked emission levels at idle and 2500rpm.

I think different counties have different requirements that can be in addition to state requirements. Either way I passed with 100 cell cats and the tech didn't even look at the exhaust pipes nor did he really look for smog equipment (SAI system is removed). Lucky for me, I was dreading swapping exhaust again!
This is the same as was done in the past in counties that required only a "basic" smog test. Only the "enhanced" areas required the dyno test. Has CA gone to a basic in all areas thus eliminating the need for a dyno test in pre OBD II cars? This would make sense, why force maintenance of dynos for a diminishing number of customers?

Here is link to the type of test procedure required by county http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...ram_Areas.html click on blue highlighted link = "Program Area Map" in second line of first paragraph.
Old 02-18-2014, 03:29 PM
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Wow, a policy from CARB that may actually make some sense. The whole sniffer thing for OBD-II cars is really unnecessary. The car is monitoring itself with pre/post CATs and will throw a code for anything that is out of whack so the actual sniffer test is superfluous at best. The idea that the car can communicate directly with the DMV via the OBD-II port with a simple visual just makes a ton of sense.

Pre OBD-II are not as advanced in self-diagnostics so the need for a more thorough analysis does seem necessary on those cars unfortunately. Of course I doubt they would reduce the fees you have to pay.
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Any LA guys have any 993's just have their OBDII system only tested yet w/o a sniffer?
Thanks
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just went for a smog in LA.... Those readiness codes were driving me crazy, I had 3 of the 5 and you need at least 4.... So I had to drive my car consistently for about 60 miles to clear another. Not like that's a bad thing
Old 12-27-2014, 09:52 PM
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Just had my '97 tested in Mountain View (across the street from the BMW dealership). Sniffer but no dyno.. Passed with 10 HC. 115K miles on the clock and no engine internals touched since put together at Stuttgart. All 12 sparkplugs changed by me at 84K. SAI check valve also changed by me at 60K-ish.

Happy New Year!

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Old 12-27-2014, 10:18 PM
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Do all our cars require 'star certified' stations?

Almost one year ago I had to insist no rollers (4x4). They complied, did sniffer, rpm and confused looks at the engine.

Originally Posted by doublecabmel
just went for a smog in LA.... Those readiness codes were driving me crazy, I had 3 of the 5 and you need at least 4.... So I had to drive my car consistently for about 60 miles to clear another. Not like that's a bad thing
Do you think the readiness code issue was due to the battery being disconnected recently? If so how long ago was the battery disconnected? I'm trying to determine if say 6-8 months of driving would tend to eventually clear all the codes.
Old 12-27-2014, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan V
Just had my '97 tested in Mountain View (across the street from the BMW dealership). Sniffer but no dyno.. Passed with 10 HC. 115K miles on the clock and no engine internals touched since put together at Stuttgart. All 12 sparkplugs changed by me at 84K. SAI check valve also changed by me at 60K-ish.

Happy New Year!

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Congrats! What year is your 993?
Old 12-28-2014, 01:05 AM
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Did my 97 last month in the Bay Area also. Dynoed and sniffed. No issue since my engine is stock with 59k.
Old 12-28-2014, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OverBoosted28
..All the while I was next to a disgusting diesel delivery truck (spewing huge amounts of black smog) and there's no restrictions to them...
Well, our Aircare - sniffer and 4wd dyno - is set to end in 4 days
and they are going to concentrate on trucks/diesels. But I'll believe it when I see it. If it does end, I see more exhaust mods for me in the future.


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