OT - For the Pilots at RL
10-30-2013 | 12:19 PM
#46
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Boston Ma.
Just for laughs.....
Turbines are Ruining Aviation
We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
back to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need
to move a switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back
to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine
requires skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not
even allowed to do it.
Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot
and start whining louder.
Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of
smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy
thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can
concentrate on the flight ahead.
Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew
boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
sounds like it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate
the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during the flight.
Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round
engines smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
Turbines are Ruining Aviation
We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
back to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need
to move a switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back
to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine
requires skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not
even allowed to do it.
Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot
and start whining louder.
Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of
smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy
thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can
concentrate on the flight ahead.
Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew
boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
sounds like it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate
the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during the flight.
Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round
engines smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
10-30-2013 | 02:11 PM
#47
Banned
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,382
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From: Jersey Shore
Lots of Beech love on page 3, from beech fans... Flew the B1900, only beech product I've ever used. Typed on it too. Biggest POS I have EVER operated.
Corporate jets are nice. I'd rather haul ppl and make the $ rather than be a chauffeur to Biff and Muffy heading to their ski place in aspen...
Edit: I've reconsidered. The Embraer was the biggest pos I was ever typed on... But it was still better than the beech :-)
Corporate jets are nice. I'd rather haul ppl and make the $ rather than be a chauffeur to Biff and Muffy heading to their ski place in aspen...
Edit: I've reconsidered. The Embraer was the biggest pos I was ever typed on... But it was still better than the beech :-)
10-30-2013 | 03:04 PM
#48
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From: Upstate NY
EMB,
Respectfully you are in a whole other world from the GA pilots here that fly for business and pleasure and MAYBE can afford a Beech, Piper or Cessna. We don't fly for a living like you obviously do and our planes are more like our 993's than a money making people hauler. That was the intent of the post, in any case.
Respectfully you are in a whole other world from the GA pilots here that fly for business and pleasure and MAYBE can afford a Beech, Piper or Cessna. We don't fly for a living like you obviously do and our planes are more like our 993's than a money making people hauler. That was the intent of the post, in any case.
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10-30-2013 | 03:37 PM
#50
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From: Upstate NY
10-30-2013 | 03:38 PM
#51
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Boston Ma.
EMB,
Respectfully you are in a whole other world from the GA pilots here that fly for business and pleasure and MAYBE can afford a Beech, Piper of Cessna. We don't fly for a living like you obviously do and our planes are more like our 993's than a money making people hauler. That was the intent of the post, in any case.
Respectfully you are in a whole other world from the GA pilots here that fly for business and pleasure and MAYBE can afford a Beech, Piper of Cessna. We don't fly for a living like you obviously do and our planes are more like our 993's than a money making people hauler. That was the intent of the post, in any case.
10-30-2013 | 07:54 PM
#52
Advanced
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 59
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From: Boulder, CO
Hi Mike, Van1, cbcc, and Rat,
Perhaps we really need a Rennlist pilots group......all this airplane nostalgia is great fun! To add a bit more, I had a KCAB Decathlon, cbcc is right about tail dragger experience being valuable...I'd say that some aerobatics is good too. Bill
Perhaps we really need a Rennlist pilots group......all this airplane nostalgia is great fun! To add a bit more, I had a KCAB Decathlon, cbcc is right about tail dragger experience being valuable...I'd say that some aerobatics is good too. Bill
10-30-2013 | 09:44 PM
#53
Thread Starter
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Joined: Jul 2002
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From: Upstate NY
Bill,
Well, FerrariChat (blasphemy!!) was an aviation sub forum. Actually that's where I saw the photo of 57W squished like a Coke can for the first time. The guys at Mountain View, NC where they crashed are big Fcar guys.
It'd be fun to swap lies, oops, stories with other Pcar owners that are pilots.
Well, FerrariChat (blasphemy!!) was an aviation sub forum. Actually that's where I saw the photo of 57W squished like a Coke can for the first time. The guys at Mountain View, NC where they crashed are big Fcar guys.
It'd be fun to swap lies, oops, stories with other Pcar owners that are pilots.
10-30-2013 | 10:00 PM
#54
RL Technical Advisor
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 11,871
Likes: 66
From: Portland Oregon
Just for laughs.....
Turbines are Ruining Aviation
We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
back to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need
to move a switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back
to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine
requires skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not
even allowed to do it.
Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot
and start whining louder.
Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of
smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy
thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can
concentrate on the flight ahead.
Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew
boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
sounds like it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate
the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during the flight.
Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round
engines smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
Turbines are Ruining Aviation
We gotta get rid of turbines, they are ruining aviation. We need to go
back to big round engines. Anybody can start a turbine, you just need
to move a switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back
to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine
requires skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not
even allowed to do it.
Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot
and start whining louder.
Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more
rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of
smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a guy
thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can
concentrate on the flight ahead.
Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly
exciting. Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew
boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
sounds like it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate
the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's
attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during the flight.
Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round
engines smell like God intended flying machines to smell.
10-30-2013 | 10:38 PM
#55
Race Car
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,930
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From: Tampa, FL
There already IS an aviation sub forum here... Scroll down on the main page...
https://rennlist.com/forums/aviation-172/
https://rennlist.com/forums/aviation-172/
10-30-2013 | 11:04 PM
#56
Racer
Joined: Feb 2010
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10-31-2013 | 12:53 AM
#58
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From: Georgia
Hey Now! My round engine pukes oil and is noisy as hell!!! The JT8D on the maddog is just like a radial. If it isn't leaking oil then its probably out of oil. lol. The old Franklin on the Stinson had a bad *** harley sound to it. The Beaver and the Beech 18 of course were real round engines. We would fire up an old KC-97 and taxi it around the airport just to get the flat spots out of the tires. At least that was our excuse!!! Very cool old airplane with 4 7000 lb engines. 56 spark plugs per engine. The biggest air cooled engine I've had the pleasure to play with. (-:
10-31-2013 | 01:09 AM
#59
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From: Portland Oregon
10-31-2013 | 01:13 AM
#60
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From: Portland Oregon
Hey Now! My round engine pukes oil and is noisy as hell!!! The JT8D on the maddog is just like a radial. If it isn't leaking oil then its probably out of oil. lol. The old Franklin on the Stinson had a bad *** harley sound to it. The Beaver and the Beech 18 of course were real round engines. We would fire up an old KC-97 and taxi it around the airport just to get the flat spots out of the tires. At least that was our excuse!!! Very cool old airplane with 4 7000 lb engines. 56 spark plugs per engine. The biggest air cooled engine I've had the pleasure to play with. (-:
I have some time in those as well as C-124's; both having those R-4360's.
The Reno Air Races is THE destination for anyone liking round engines and lots of HP. A true bucket list event.