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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:13 PM
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Not sure if posting here in the main 993 area is proper. If not, mods please move.

I need a replacement windscreen for a 993 (1995 if if makes a diff). It should be good serviceable w/o any obvious defects. I'm told a new OEM one would be $1,000.00! Yikes!

Any suggestions for a lesser cost new or used windscreen? TIA.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:41 PM
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I just did a new windscreen on mine (along with having the rust repaired in the channel). After reading about all of the horror stories with improper installations, incorrect glass size (some of the '95s are supposedly different), squeaking after installation, etc. I went with OEM ordered from Sunset and installed by the most experienced pro in town. It was about $1K with the seals and is a perfect install. I am by no means an expert but if what I have read is correct you will want to find out what '95 glass you need before buying your part, and do your research on how to properly install it.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:47 PM
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It's a bit more complex. We sold the 993 and shipped it. The windshield had a small de lamination at the passenger side curve. The buyer is going bananas demanding to unwind the sale for this or I buy him a new one.

My position is that even if the small de lam is a 'defect', him demanding a new windshield when he bought an 18 year old car is an unjust enrichment so I offered him the depreciated cost of the part.

He's completely off his nut on this thing making no sense at all by my view. He's a dealer too. I'm willing to compensate him fairly but I think buying a brand new OEM one is unfair to me.

Now if I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from the group that i am and I'll refund him the $1k.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:51 PM
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i would not refund him the 1K...he is a dealer and knows the game. did he get a PPI if not he is out of luck.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:53 PM
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Fuch'em! He's already agreed to the terms, where you obviously received the funds and have shipped the car. You're not in the business of warrantying cars unless you're a dealer yourself.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 06:54 PM
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I don't think he's being reasonable either. As to the PPI, he trusted me and I didn't disclose this de lam in the ad, but did in a Q&A of the ad.

I feel like I'm dealing with a two year old in tantrum mode but also wonder if I should have disclosed this. Our local club people said this was common so we didn't think it a defect needing disclosure. Nevertheless, I didn't do the disclosure so feel a bit bad about it...but full new value?
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 07:12 PM
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Dealer sounds like an opportunistic asshat. I've seen numerous 964/993 windshields with minor delamination in the lower corners.

Who is the dealer?



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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 07:29 PM
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Yeah. He's seriously threatening to ship the car back. We have enough room in this deal and also have agreed to the next p-car so I'm wanting an end to this. I'm going to paypal him some money if he writes me a full release for any and all future whines.

This is the dealership:

http://www.luxsport.com/
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 09:03 PM
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obviously you must have sold him the car at a reasonable enough figure that he thought he could resell it and make some money. if he bought the car sight unseen that is his issue. if he wants to ship back then let him. just tell him you will charge him a fee for storage and he is not getting his money back.

it is not like you are talking frame damage or salvage title that had not been disclosed. he is a dealer which is suppose to know the business and risks. you owe him nothing...dont give in to him. that is just weak, stand your ground.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 10:32 PM
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If you have insurance on the car you will either get one free windshield per year (depending your state's laws) or you deductible will be $200, or so, on a new windshield. Put your insurance claim in and have the windshield replaced where the buyer is. His cost to replace the windshield, with his dealer's connections is less than yours would be. Either that OR tell you will split the difference of a new windshield replacement and, if he says no, tell him to go .... himself. As stated previously, he's a dealer and knows the routine. Most/many used cars need a windshield. And we don't have wind screens in this country.
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 11:50 PM
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Sorry but if u didnt disclose it, fix it - properly
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Old Aug 21, 2013 | 01:42 AM
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Used luxury car dealers...........need we say more?

When I first saw this earlier today on my phone I was arriving at one of my car dealers (where I have vending machines). Ran it past the guys there. They laughed.
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Old Aug 21, 2013 | 08:17 AM
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It sounds like you choose to not disclose this information but maybe think you should have.

It sounds like he also thinks this is the case.

If you hadn't ever noticed it would be one thing, you could claim complete ignorance and that is that. If he knows that you knew and just didn't tell him he would probably act like he's acting now.

He is a dealer and he should know not to trust anybody BUT if he's willing to sue over it is it worth the hassle to not just replace the windshield and be done with it. Maybe next time practice full disclosure?
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Old Aug 21, 2013 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by swesna
obviously you must have sold him the car at a reasonable enough figure that he thought he could resell it and make some money. if he bought the car sight unseen that is his issue. if he wants to ship back then let him. just tell him you will charge him a fee for storage and he is not getting his money back.

it is not like you are talking frame damage or salvage title that had not been disclosed. he is a dealer which is suppose to know the business and risks. you owe him nothing...dont give in to him. that is just weak, stand your ground.
Yes. I'm sure there is at least 15% left in it that a dealer could get and we not. If he does ship it back, I'll refuse delivery. I do not wish to get into a bailment situation. If I were to accept the car and either charge or not charge and it came to harm, I may be on the hook depending upon circumstances.
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Old Aug 21, 2013 | 09:53 AM
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If you have insurance on the car you will either get one free windshield per year (depending your state's laws) or you deductible will be $200, or so, on a new windshield. Put your insurance claim in and have the windshield replaced where the buyer is. His cost to replace the windshield, with his dealer's connections is less than yours would be. Either that OR tell you will split the difference of a new windshield replacement and, if he says no, tell him to go .... himself. As stated previously, he's a dealer and knows the routine. Most/many used cars need a windshield. And we don't have wind screens in this country.
I offered $500. He is insisting on a new one at full retail and me buying it. I said it was an 18 year old windshield and he would be unjustly enriched if he were to get new for old.

This is not a casualty loss. There is a small de-lamination at the passenger side curve so it's not possible to pawn this off on the insurance.

What bothers me is he is in full tantrum mode here. I am willing to work with this guy or enter a mediation / arbitration but when I say this, he gets all shrill and screaming. It's bizarre a grown man acting this way.
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