My first 993 diy oil change
07-23-2013, 12:54 PM
#16
Three Wheelin'
How much of that is labor?
It's interesting to see the layering of Rennlist members skills and approaches, from:
1 - no clue of what is under the skin of the car, or really do not care
2 - the car's function is (soft-of) understood, but not way will they touch it, or they do not want to get their hands dirty - often newbies
3 - the owner will attempt to do basic maintenance (oil changes) but are usually challenged
4 - the owner can dive deeper into the car, perhaps drop engines, clutch jobs, suspension swaps, etc. but internals look too daunting
5 - the owner will diagnose and rebuild all components, including engines and transmission
So, if you are at level 4 or 5, then sometimes it's hard to see the challenges at level 3, because relatively speaking, it's really simple stuff. What I hope is people will gain confidence and move up the ladder, perhaps not to level 5, but not be afraid to jump to 4 if they want to.
Where I get a kick out of level 1's, 2's and 3's acting like level 5's -> its pretty easy to detect that when it happens.
Damn engineer in me is coming out....
Cheers,
Mike
It's interesting to see the layering of Rennlist members skills and approaches, from:
1 - no clue of what is under the skin of the car, or really do not care
2 - the car's function is (soft-of) understood, but not way will they touch it, or they do not want to get their hands dirty - often newbies
3 - the owner will attempt to do basic maintenance (oil changes) but are usually challenged
4 - the owner can dive deeper into the car, perhaps drop engines, clutch jobs, suspension swaps, etc. but internals look too daunting
5 - the owner will diagnose and rebuild all components, including engines and transmission
So, if you are at level 4 or 5, then sometimes it's hard to see the challenges at level 3, because relatively speaking, it's really simple stuff. What I hope is people will gain confidence and move up the ladder, perhaps not to level 5, but not be afraid to jump to 4 if they want to.
Where I get a kick out of level 1's, 2's and 3's acting like level 5's -> its pretty easy to detect that when it happens.
Damn engineer in me is coming out....
Cheers,
Mike
07-23-2013, 12:59 PM
#17
Drifting
Thread Starter
The biggest challenge for going from 3 to 4 is lack of tools and time. Some enjoy working on 993 as much as driving them. Doing my own oil change made me realize that I enjoy driving it much more than working on it and there are many things I would rather be doing. I would not attempt anything more than a very basic work once in a while.
07-23-2013, 01:03 PM
#18
Drifting
I am probably a #3 with the exception of oil changes. I just hate doing them period and i work for a major oil brand LOL. I have learned a ton about my car on this site and how easy the basic stuff can e with proper tools and patience.
07-23-2013, 01:14 PM
#19
Mike. I like where you headed. I would also add the ability or access proper tools doing this on milk crates and a Kmart jack bad idea . I am 3.5. Did a suspension swap and replaced the housing for the fan and did the belts at same time obviously 
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07-23-2013, 01:27 PM
#20
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Mike, it is sad for me to admit that I was once a level 4 but as some of us get older, the physical ability to bend, twist, and simply getting up after such contortions is not much fun. Now a three at best and with a 993, I would proudly be a 2.
993 oil changes are messy and the most difficult of any Carrera I have ever owned. Access to the smaller filter is not one of Porsche's proud engineering moments.
993 oil changes are messy and the most difficult of any Carrera I have ever owned. Access to the smaller filter is not one of Porsche's proud engineering moments.
07-23-2013, 01:28 PM
#21
I have top-end rebuild my engine. And I still find changing the oil HARD!!!!
BTW, you don't need to remove the metal oil tube to change the smaller filter. Did this myself over the past 7 years including last weekend.
1. remove the engine/tranny undertray.
2. remove the red rubber heater tube (between the flapper box and the hard metal tube toward the front).
3. stick the claw oil filter tool up to the filter and remove it with socket and long extensions. the oil coming out will be about 1/2 quart. be prepare to catch it.
4. wiggle it out the small filter between the metal bars....it will wiggle out
5. wiggle back in the small filter and tighten
Don't bother with the flimsy 3 prongs filter wrench. This is the one to get:
http://m.autozone.com/autozone-mobil...25ra?id=297190
BTW, you don't need to remove the metal oil tube to change the smaller filter. Did this myself over the past 7 years including last weekend.
1. remove the engine/tranny undertray.
2. remove the red rubber heater tube (between the flapper box and the hard metal tube toward the front).
3. stick the claw oil filter tool up to the filter and remove it with socket and long extensions. the oil coming out will be about 1/2 quart. be prepare to catch it.
4. wiggle it out the small filter between the metal bars....it will wiggle out
5. wiggle back in the small filter and tighten
Don't bother with the flimsy 3 prongs filter wrench. This is the one to get:
http://m.autozone.com/autozone-mobil...25ra?id=297190
Last edited by axl911; 07-23-2013 at 01:50 PM.
07-23-2013, 03:14 PM
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How much of that is labor?
It's interesting to see the layering of Rennlist members skills and approaches, from:
1 - no clue of what is under the skin of the car, or really do not care
2 - the car's function is (soft-of) understood, but not way will they touch it, or they do not want to get their hands dirty - often newbies
3 - the owner will attempt to do basic maintenance (oil changes) but are usually challenged
4 - the owner can dive deeper into the car, perhaps drop engines, clutch jobs, suspension swaps, etc. but internals look too daunting
5 - the owner will diagnose and rebuild all components, including engines and transmission
So, if you are at level 4 or 5, then sometimes it's hard to see the challenges at level 3, because relatively speaking, it's really simple stuff. What I hope is people will gain confidence and move up the ladder, perhaps not to level 5, but not be afraid to jump to 4 if they want to.
Where I get a kick out of level 1's, 2's and 3's acting like level 5's -> its pretty easy to detect that when it happens.
Damn engineer in me is coming out....
Cheers,
Mike
It's interesting to see the layering of Rennlist members skills and approaches, from:
1 - no clue of what is under the skin of the car, or really do not care
2 - the car's function is (soft-of) understood, but not way will they touch it, or they do not want to get their hands dirty - often newbies
3 - the owner will attempt to do basic maintenance (oil changes) but are usually challenged
4 - the owner can dive deeper into the car, perhaps drop engines, clutch jobs, suspension swaps, etc. but internals look too daunting
5 - the owner will diagnose and rebuild all components, including engines and transmission
So, if you are at level 4 or 5, then sometimes it's hard to see the challenges at level 3, because relatively speaking, it's really simple stuff. What I hope is people will gain confidence and move up the ladder, perhaps not to level 5, but not be afraid to jump to 4 if they want to.
Where I get a kick out of level 1's, 2's and 3's acting like level 5's -> its pretty easy to detect that when it happens.
Damn engineer in me is coming out....
Cheers,
Mike
07-23-2013, 04:01 PM
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07-23-2013, 04:28 PM
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I have set a goal of developing into a 3.5. I've done some straightforward mods (HIDs, Clear Corners...) but haven't gone after mechanicals. I'm currently getting equipment together for Brake pad change+/-rotors in the fall. The Xmans thread reassured me that it is a good place to start. If that goes well, planning on tackling oil change in the spring. Then I'll move up to Goldenrod and SSK. At least that is the current plan . . . my big fear is having to call a tow truck and the walk of shame at my local shop for a botched DIY.
07-23-2013, 04:53 PM
#25
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Oil changes aren't difficult; just more involved than they should be.
BMW knows where to put an oil filter in the E36 and up models (and maybe some older ones as well). I had an E36. What a treat to work on.
BMW knows where to put an oil filter in the E36 and up models (and maybe some older ones as well). I had an E36. What a treat to work on.
07-23-2013, 04:55 PM
#26
I know what you're talking about. In my former E36, I can change the oil in <30mins. In the 993, 2 hours!!
07-23-2013, 05:00 PM
#27
Mike, it is sad for me to admit that I was once a level 4 but as some of us get older, the physical ability to bend, twist, and simply getting up after such contortions is not much fun. Now a three at best and with a 993, I would proudly be a 2.
993 oil changes are messy and the most difficult of any Carrera I have ever owned. Access to the smaller filter is not one of Porsche's proud engineering moments.
993 oil changes are messy and the most difficult of any Carrera I have ever owned. Access to the smaller filter is not one of Porsche's proud engineering moments.
Also don't forget failing eyesight making it hard to 'see' what I am doing. I need a few sets of reading glasses with various powers and even then some of the finicky stuff is pretty well impossible.
07-23-2013, 05:36 PM
#28
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How much of that is labor?
It's interesting to see the layering of Rennlist members skills and approaches, from:
1 - no clue of what is under the skin of the car, or really do not care
2 - the car's function is (soft-of) understood, but not way will they touch it, or they do not want to get their hands dirty - often newbies
3 - the owner will attempt to do basic maintenance (oil changes) but are usually challenged
4 - the owner can dive deeper into the car, perhaps drop engines, clutch jobs, suspension swaps, etc. but internals look too daunting
5 - the owner will diagnose and rebuild all components, including engines and transmission
So, if you are at level 4 or 5, then sometimes it's hard to see the challenges at level 3, because relatively speaking, it's really simple stuff. What I hope is people will gain confidence and move up the ladder, perhaps not to level 5, but not be afraid to jump to 4 if they want to.
Where I get a kick out of level 1's, 2's and 3's acting like level 5's -> its pretty easy to detect that when it happens.
Damn engineer in me is coming out....
Cheers,
Mike
It's interesting to see the layering of Rennlist members skills and approaches, from:
1 - no clue of what is under the skin of the car, or really do not care
2 - the car's function is (soft-of) understood, but not way will they touch it, or they do not want to get their hands dirty - often newbies
3 - the owner will attempt to do basic maintenance (oil changes) but are usually challenged
4 - the owner can dive deeper into the car, perhaps drop engines, clutch jobs, suspension swaps, etc. but internals look too daunting
5 - the owner will diagnose and rebuild all components, including engines and transmission
So, if you are at level 4 or 5, then sometimes it's hard to see the challenges at level 3, because relatively speaking, it's really simple stuff. What I hope is people will gain confidence and move up the ladder, perhaps not to level 5, but not be afraid to jump to 4 if they want to.
Where I get a kick out of level 1's, 2's and 3's acting like level 5's -> its pretty easy to detect that when it happens.
Damn engineer in me is coming out....
Cheers,
Mike
Now that's what I'm talking about ... someone like Mike shows real class and is a definite asset to RL!
This makes me recall our tie-rod pinning party back in February. We had about 15 993 owners of all backgrounds and level of experience with their cars (and car repair in general) who all took the step to join us to do Garth's mod at my home. We helped those who wanted it and left others do it themselves if they didn't.
But in the end, we had a great time (including the pizza and beer) and some were even able to bump up their mechanical skills up a knotch! I had someone comment that they had never worked on a car before but felt comfortable working on their car with our guidance.
Now that's what I call a true Rennlist community!
Marc G.
07-23-2013, 06:19 PM
#29
All other steps I don't bitch about (tho the process is a lot more involved in any other cars I've worked on so far), but I still bitch about removing the passenger rear wheel and removing, lifting the inner wheel liner to gain access to the filter...
07-23-2013, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by axl911
Don't bother with the flimsy 3 prongs filter wrench. This is the one to get:
http://m.autozone.com/autozone-mobil...25ra?id=297190
http://m.autozone.com/autozone-mobil...25ra?id=297190
Part number?
Thank you!
Christian Els
Kansas City
'95 Carrera
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