Porsche 993: a 911 lost in translation
07-13-2013, 07:18 PM
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Don't sell your self short. Your 100 posts reflect there may be many things you can't get your head around. Who knows, maybe you have 993 envy. Matters not.
The value question is easy. Last of the air-cooled. Most powerful. Arguably one of the nicest, if not THE nicest, looking 911s. Most refined. Most technologically advanced air-cooled 911. Also much improved rear suspension vs. the 964, and no valve adjustments, unlike the 964. Etc, etc.
We know you love your 964. Maybe you should spend some time over there praising the 964, instead of coming here and bashing the 993.
Better yet, get out of the basement and go for a drive
The value question is easy. Last of the air-cooled. Most powerful. Arguably one of the nicest, if not THE nicest, looking 911s. Most refined. Most technologically advanced air-cooled 911. Also much improved rear suspension vs. the 964, and no valve adjustments, unlike the 964. Etc, etc.
We know you love your 964. Maybe you should spend some time over there praising the 964, instead of coming here and bashing the 993.
Better yet, get out of the basement and go for a drive
07-13-2013, 07:22 PM
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Back around 2005, I had been instructing for the Porsche Club's DE's for a couple of years and it finally got to me. Having been too long away from the marque, I asked everyone I knew what would be the best Porsche to get that had the look and feel of the early 911 but the creature comforts of the newer models. Everyone told me "Get a 993". it took a two year search for the '95 but, from the moment I sat in it, turned the key and heard the "bark" behind my head, I knew that this was the proper Porsche for me. To me, it truly is the best of both worlds and, IMHO, the pinnacle of 911 evolution while keeping reverence for its glorious past. The newer cars are technologically superior but lack that connection.
07-13-2013, 08:20 PM
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If resale value is any indication, there are a lot of lost folks, including myself, who came from a 79 930 and an 87 G50 car. 964 is a lovely car, but for ME the 993 is the air cooled 911 to lust after. I appreciate the heritage, while appreciating the decent a/c and the 6th gear on the highway. I modded my car to my own taste, but the only 964 I would trade it for would be the 965 3.6t
To each their own. Enjoy your 964 or any 911 for that matter in good health.
To each their own. Enjoy your 964 or any 911 for that matter in good health.
07-13-2013, 09:57 PM
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Yes. The real 911s ended with our 993s. The 964 and 996 series cars are the "ugly ducklings" 911s. The 997 series made things right, and were refined with the 2009-and-on direct-fuel-injected engines--culminating in the ultimate - 997 - the GT3 4.0. With the 991 Porsche has lost its way with their "911" model. The 997s were already way too cushy; the 991s are much too luxurious, and have lost the 911 translation from Butzi Porsche's original idea.
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07-13-2013, 10:00 PM
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Recently read in Panamara that the 993 was supposed to be a liquid-cooled car but due to having to replace complex heating and cooling systems, engineers opted to continue the air-cooled engine. So the 993 should have been a 996 and was really just a bastardized 911 stuck in air-cooled purgatory at the time. It was not the evolutionary pinnacle of the 911 as some "experts" claim. That claim is probably more applicable to the 964, although I would never say that.
07-13-2013, 10:11 PM
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I look for both everywhere i go when on buying trips.
The 964 and 993 are clean looking air cooled 911s (no 1974-1989 impact bumpers) and the last of the small wheel base 911. They have nowhere to go but up.
Just look at what people are willing to pay for rust free 1965-1973 tubs.
Not many cars from the 1990's held their value to date like that of the 964 and 993.
20 years from now people will still be buying and restoring them.
Just look at what Singer is doing.....
07-13-2013, 10:20 PM
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Porsche had been looking to go liquid since 1990, and not just because of emission standards. Engineers knew that the air-cooled engine had been over stretched and had to go to a water-cooled design to keep up with modern performance standards. And obviously the financial implications of sticking with non-shared components in the 993 vs. the 996 shared relation with the boxster.
07-13-2013, 11:11 PM
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IMO, the 964 front end is the black sheep of the family, when you compare it to pre-89 and 993. Having said that, I've come to appreciate it more, particularly in RSA guise. So, it isn't bad, just not as nice as the ones in front or in back of it. Sure, it's a great car, but I've really never considered pursuing one.
07-13-2013, 11:18 PM
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tcabler, you back from a timeout or something?
Previous trainwreck thread...
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...93-bubble.html
Previous trainwreck thread...
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...93-bubble.html
07-13-2013, 11:43 PM
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Oh, I get it. We are supposed to pretend the 993 doesn't exist, because it wasn't supposed to be.
IMO, the 964 front end is the black sheep of the family, when you compare it to pre-89 and 993. Having said that, I've come to appreciate it more, particularly in RSA guise. So, it isn't bad, just not as nice as the ones in front or in back of it. Sure, it's a great car, but I've really never considered pursuing one.
IMO, the 964 front end is the black sheep of the family, when you compare it to pre-89 and 993. Having said that, I've come to appreciate it more, particularly in RSA guise. So, it isn't bad, just not as nice as the ones in front or in back of it. Sure, it's a great car, but I've really never considered pursuing one.
07-13-2013, 11:51 PM
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Are you delusional or just clueless? The 964 has the body style of all classic 911s! And much better looking than the 3.2s with their goofy accordian-style impact bumpers. The 993 without the upright headlights of all previous 911s looks like a turtle. And its rear-end claim to fame styling is absolutely bolbous and bloated looking.
One of the most appealing/new-classic/gorgeous elements of the 993 to me is the 959'esque front.
07-14-2013, 12:01 AM
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Are you delusional or just clueless? The 964 has the body style of all classic 911s! And much better looking than the 3.2s with their goofy accordian-style impact bumpers. The 993 without the upright headlights of all previous 911s looks like a turtle. And its rear-end claim to fame styling is absolutely bolbous and bloated looking.
Every post you make here shows how desperate you are to attempt to put the 993 down, in order to make you feel better. Check your spelling too, that also shows your naiveté. Unless you're making up words too, to go with your other conjured-up ideas.
07-14-2013, 12:13 AM
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You bet I look like a turtle? Well, unlike yourself I'm sure, I'm not bald and I do not have a belly. I'm 42 and I'd love you to join me for one of my workouts. As for that spliced together 959 with no flow, I despise the 993's front end even more.