solid sides and monoball tops - noise
04-25-2013, 08:30 PM
#31
Race Car
As per cupcar, these need to articulate or you WILL end up with a broken shock.
The spring perch needs to be spaced away from the bottom of the shock mound as shown in ToSi's photo, without this you will A) hear the knocking and B) potentially break the shaft of the shock. The spaces is optional depending on the style of top spring perch.
The spacers have either a 12mm ID or a 14mm ID depending on the shocks used.
The spring perch needs to be spaced away from the bottom of the shock mound as shown in ToSi's photo, without this you will A) hear the knocking and B) potentially break the shaft of the shock. The spaces is optional depending on the style of top spring perch.
The spacers have either a 12mm ID or a 14mm ID depending on the shocks used.
04-26-2013, 06:24 AM
#32
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Something doesn't make sense here, the monoball is supposed to articulate.
If you have removed range of motion at the monoball, then the only thing left for motion is bending of the shock shaft. I think where they say "optional depending on set up" they mean it is either a 12 or 14 mm thick spacer, not elimination of the spacer.
If you have removed range of motion at the monoball, then the only thing left for motion is bending of the shock shaft. I think where they say "optional depending on set up" they mean it is either a 12 or 14 mm thick spacer, not elimination of the spacer.
This saga reminds me why I should've paid more attention in geometry class
04-26-2013, 06:30 AM
#33
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As per cupcar, these need to articulate or you WILL end up with a broken shock.
The spring perch needs to be spaced away from the bottom of the shock mound as shown in ToSi's photo, without this you will A) hear the knocking and B) potentially break the shaft of the shock. The spaces is optional depending on the style of top spring perch.
The spacers have either a 12mm ID or a 14mm ID depending on the shocks used.
The spring perch needs to be spaced away from the bottom of the shock mound as shown in ToSi's photo, without this you will A) hear the knocking and B) potentially break the shaft of the shock. The spaces is optional depending on the style of top spring perch.
The spacers have either a 12mm ID or a 14mm ID depending on the shocks used.
Won't I also need to adjust the spring height to to compensate for the spacers?
04-26-2013, 11:11 AM
#34
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Yeah, that makes sense. I have extra spacers on the way from rennline after discussing with them. My question is, if the range of articulation allows the mount to strike the hats isn't that also a problem and is there any other adjustment to remedy the knocking? Also, the oem mounts don't have this articulation, so how is the required lateral movemt accomplished? Through the flexing of the rubber?
This saga reminds me why I should've paid more attention in geometry class
This saga reminds me why I should've paid more attention in geometry class
You would need to adjust the spring height to get back the ride height setting, but if you only add a few millimeters, that might not be needed.
04-26-2013, 11:27 AM
#36
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Thread Starter
Yeah, that makes sense. I have extra spacers on the way from rennline after discussing with them. My question is, if the range of articulation allows the mount to strike the hats isn't that also a problem and is there any other adjustment to remedy the knocking? Also, the oem mounts don't have this articulation, so how is the required lateral movemt accomplished? Through the flexing of the rubber?
This saga reminds me why I should've paid more attention in geometry class
This saga reminds me why I should've paid more attention in geometry class
You would need to adjust the spring height to get back the ride height setting, but if you only add a few millimeters, that might not be needed.
04-26-2013, 08:30 PM
#37
The shoulder at the top of the shock should end up approx 38mm below the upper surface of the mount (touching the body of the car). Next time you have everything apart, double check you're close to this measurement.
04-26-2013, 09:19 PM
#38
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04-27-2013, 01:17 PM
#40
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04-27-2013, 01:35 PM
#41
Stock mount is 30mm thick, the spacer Bilstein includes is 8mm.
The rennline hat is 10mm thick, select washers to make the net height of the Rennline mount about 28mm.
Didn't think of it earlier but you can use the 8mm Bilstein spacer above the hat vs. ordering more from Rennline. Honestly though, I think they recently added these & you might be one of the first users. Bummer they didn't provide more details, especially since you're using their top mounts as well.
The rennline hat is 10mm thick, select washers to make the net height of the Rennline mount about 28mm.
Didn't think of it earlier but you can use the 8mm Bilstein spacer above the hat vs. ordering more from Rennline. Honestly though, I think they recently added these & you might be one of the first users. Bummer they didn't provide more details, especially since you're using their top mounts as well.
04-28-2013, 10:40 PM
#42
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Thread Starter
Stock mount is 30mm thick, the spacer Bilstein includes is 8mm.
The rennline hat is 10mm thick, select washers to make the net height of the Rennline mount about 28mm.
Didn't think of it earlier but you can use the 8mm Bilstein spacer above the hat vs. ordering more from Rennline. Honestly though, I think they recently added these & you might be one of the first users. Bummer they didn't provide more details, especially since you're using their top mounts as well.
The rennline hat is 10mm thick, select washers to make the net height of the Rennline mount about 28mm.
Didn't think of it earlier but you can use the 8mm Bilstein spacer above the hat vs. ordering more from Rennline. Honestly though, I think they recently added these & you might be one of the first users. Bummer they didn't provide more details, especially since you're using their top mounts as well.
Last edited by dgmattingley; 04-29-2013 at 09:44 AM.
04-30-2013, 02:56 PM
#43
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Hey Guys,
I have been dealing with a couple of you on this issue and just came across this thread so figured I would provide an update. Since the introduction of our Rennline Strut Mounts, we have received a lot of requests for a custom spring hat from customers using both RS Strut Mounts and our Strut Mounts with their Bilstein Pss9 and PSS10 suspensions. When we developed these spring hats, we basically took the RS spring hat and re sized it to work with the PSS9 and PSS10's. We pulled the measurements off the RS spring hat, combined them with measurements supplied from Bilstein, and ended up with the spring hat shown in Don's images.
After being contacted by two customers, Don being one of them, we were notified that there was a clearance issue when using these with our strut mounts. Don was very helpful in providing feedback and with this help we have determined that the lower spacer stack needs to be taller in order to avoid strut mount contact when used with our strut mount. We will be contacting all purchasers of these spring hats who have also purchased our strut mounts and we will be sending them the additional bushings required for this configuration. If you have not been contacted and have purchased this setup from us or one of our distributors, please give us a call for these new bushings.
As always we greatly appreciate the feedback that we receive from customers like Don, and it is through feedback like this that we are able to evolve and develop our product line to the best that it can be
Thanks for your continued support over the years,
Tom Rittenburg
General Manager
Rennline Inc
802.893.7366 x105
I have been dealing with a couple of you on this issue and just came across this thread so figured I would provide an update. Since the introduction of our Rennline Strut Mounts, we have received a lot of requests for a custom spring hat from customers using both RS Strut Mounts and our Strut Mounts with their Bilstein Pss9 and PSS10 suspensions. When we developed these spring hats, we basically took the RS spring hat and re sized it to work with the PSS9 and PSS10's. We pulled the measurements off the RS spring hat, combined them with measurements supplied from Bilstein, and ended up with the spring hat shown in Don's images.
After being contacted by two customers, Don being one of them, we were notified that there was a clearance issue when using these with our strut mounts. Don was very helpful in providing feedback and with this help we have determined that the lower spacer stack needs to be taller in order to avoid strut mount contact when used with our strut mount. We will be contacting all purchasers of these spring hats who have also purchased our strut mounts and we will be sending them the additional bushings required for this configuration. If you have not been contacted and have purchased this setup from us or one of our distributors, please give us a call for these new bushings.
As always we greatly appreciate the feedback that we receive from customers like Don, and it is through feedback like this that we are able to evolve and develop our product line to the best that it can be
Thanks for your continued support over the years,
Tom Rittenburg
General Manager
Rennline Inc
802.893.7366 x105
04-30-2013, 06:14 PM
#44
Rennlist Member
Hey Guys,
I have been dealing with a couple of you on this issue and just came across this thread so figured I would provide an update. Since the introduction of our Rennline Strut Mounts, we have received a lot of requests for a custom spring hat from customers using both RS Strut Mounts and our Strut Mounts with their Bilstein Pss9 and PSS10 suspensions. When we developed these spring hats, we basically took the RS spring hat and re sized it to work with the PSS9 and PSS10's. We pulled the measurements off the RS spring hat, combined them with measurements supplied from Bilstein, and ended up with the spring hat shown in Don's images.
After being contacted by two customers, Don being one of them, we were notified that there was a clearance issue when using these with our strut mounts. Don was very helpful in providing feedback and with this help we have determined that the lower spacer stack needs to be taller in order to avoid strut mount contact when used with our strut mount. We will be contacting all purchasers of these spring hats who have also purchased our strut mounts and we will be sending them the additional bushings required for this configuration. If you have not been contacted and have purchased this setup from us or one of our distributors, please give us a call for these new bushings.
As always we greatly appreciate the feedback that we receive from customers like Don, and it is through feedback like this that we are able to evolve and develop our product line to the best that it can be
Thanks for your continued support over the years,
Tom Rittenburg
General Manager
Rennline Inc
802.893.7366 x105
I have been dealing with a couple of you on this issue and just came across this thread so figured I would provide an update. Since the introduction of our Rennline Strut Mounts, we have received a lot of requests for a custom spring hat from customers using both RS Strut Mounts and our Strut Mounts with their Bilstein Pss9 and PSS10 suspensions. When we developed these spring hats, we basically took the RS spring hat and re sized it to work with the PSS9 and PSS10's. We pulled the measurements off the RS spring hat, combined them with measurements supplied from Bilstein, and ended up with the spring hat shown in Don's images.
After being contacted by two customers, Don being one of them, we were notified that there was a clearance issue when using these with our strut mounts. Don was very helpful in providing feedback and with this help we have determined that the lower spacer stack needs to be taller in order to avoid strut mount contact when used with our strut mount. We will be contacting all purchasers of these spring hats who have also purchased our strut mounts and we will be sending them the additional bushings required for this configuration. If you have not been contacted and have purchased this setup from us or one of our distributors, please give us a call for these new bushings.
As always we greatly appreciate the feedback that we receive from customers like Don, and it is through feedback like this that we are able to evolve and develop our product line to the best that it can be
Thanks for your continued support over the years,
Tom Rittenburg
General Manager
Rennline Inc
802.893.7366 x105
04-30-2013, 06:29 PM
#45
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