Should a 96 C4S have a spare tire ?
09-16-2012, 04:05 PM
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Is there a proper torque spec for that removeable front crash structure element also?
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09-16-2012, 04:27 PM
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Just search the site.Type in "spare tire crash". There are as many opinions as there are *******'s.When I picked up my first new Porsche in November of 88' , I was 18 yrs old, I was given a lecture reguarding the importance of keeping the spare tire in place.Why do you think Porsche limits the speed(55 mph)and duration(50 miles max)a spare tire can be used?Why do you think Porsche requires the spare to be replaced as soon as posible? Maybe because the car is not structurally sound with out the spare in place above 55mph.Maybe?
As to crash safety, I'm NOT an engineer. If you are, fantastic. Personally, I can't see it hurting to have something more up front in an impact, but it is not the ultimate life saving device.
The OP was merely asking if a car he was considering should have one...as in "did it come from the factory with one?". Yes, it did.
To 77'3.6vram: Thanks once again for being less than respectful in voicing YOUR opinion.
09-16-2012, 04:30 PM
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I can only tell you what I have been told repeatedly over the past 24years of air cooled Porsche ownership by over ten indy P-shops & Dealerships.Are you enjoying your mental ************ guys? I know I am. Please keep it cumming.
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09-16-2012, 04:59 PM
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You think?
You have an interesting point with the spare being part of the impact resistance.
The space saver spare however is limited to 50mph for 50 miles due to speed rating and tread wear of the tire.
Porsche didnt intend anybody to roll the dice against the odds without a spare for 50 miles..... Cause if a front on collison occured within those 50 miles and the spare was absent, then porsche would have a problem on its hands...
The space saver spare however is limited to 50mph for 50 miles due to speed rating and tread wear of the tire.
Porsche didnt intend anybody to roll the dice against the odds without a spare for 50 miles..... Cause if a front on collison occured within those 50 miles and the spare was absent, then porsche would have a problem on its hands...
I may have misspelled a word or two.My bad.
09-16-2012, 05:08 PM
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I never raced Porsches, I raced a Spec Miata within the NASA and SCCA sanctioning bodies. The GCRs/CCRs dictate for the removal of the spare tire, among other rules for the series. I have taken my Porsche to DEs, however. The PCA tech form does not call for the removal of the spare, nor do they require a driver to leave it in. I admit that I do not know which is safer -with or without the spare. I merely follow directions. Am I an expert? Heavens, no. Do I know what I am doing? I am pretty sure that I do. I hope my post helps.
As to the OP ... yes, the car came with an inflatable spare tire along with a pump and tools with which to install the spare. Because it came with the car, it has value. And yes, it is hidden underneath the carpet. There are three plastic fasteners that hold the front down. Turn each fastener 45 degrees and pull up on the carpet. The tire will be below.
As to the OP ... yes, the car came with an inflatable spare tire along with a pump and tools with which to install the spare. Because it came with the car, it has value. And yes, it is hidden underneath the carpet. There are three plastic fasteners that hold the front down. Turn each fastener 45 degrees and pull up on the carpet. The tire will be below.
09-16-2012, 05:12 PM
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Misspelling is fine. This is not a English grammar forum.. But, your tone on a few threads here is not.
Please reconsider your posting manners before it's too late..
Thanks,
John
PS "On topic" : ), it seems very unlikely to me that Porsche's engineers would depend on any removable structure (in this case a spare tire) to obtain crash worthiness for a car. If that was the case, I think that a warning sticker or any kind of official reference would have "leaked" from the factory..
FWIW, in all my 993s, I had them removed and balanced the weight distribution and rake with a lighter exhaust and/or a proper adjustable suspension.
Removing weight is always a good thing, even if it comes from the front of a 911.. : )
09-16-2012, 05:21 PM
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Back in the day, the spare was needed because it supplied air for the windshield washers as on VWs 
09-16-2012, 05:23 PM
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But John . . . couldn't it add ballast? I hope you say that it can . . . I am too lazy to take out my spare at every DE and autocross. 
09-16-2012, 08:27 PM
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77'3.6vram has to have pictures of someone.
He berates everyone including the moderators, goes from "banned" to "un banned", has selective dyslexia with some disgusting references.
Post the pictures huckleberry!! They got to be pretty freakin awesome.
He berates everyone including the moderators, goes from "banned" to "un banned", has selective dyslexia with some disgusting references.
Post the pictures huckleberry!! They got to be pretty freakin awesome.
09-16-2012, 08:34 PM
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This more than anything here speaks volumes. The 993 is getting on in years, but it still had to meet crash standards. I can't see an easily removeable part being a major part of the car's structure. If it were, it wouldn't be removeable and, therefore, wouldn't be much use as a spare either.
09-16-2012, 08:40 PM
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09-16-2012, 09:00 PM
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Just to clarify my own post of recent (#36), Vram... nothing I said was based on opinion. Not one word. What I posted was based upon facts. I respectfully ask that you do the same, please. I know that there is a beautiful wealth of information in that brain of yours - please use it. Thanks.