OEM Speaker Replacement
09-16-2012, 10:57 PM
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Mike,
Seems like there are a couple C5 525 options...is this the correct one?
http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CGQQ8wIwAQ
I'm assuming we don't need the tweeters and the crossovers for the install, so if the 5 1/4 JLs can be purchased by themselves, that would be ideal.
Seems like there are a couple C5 525 options...is this the correct one?
http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CGQQ8wIwAQ
I'm assuming we don't need the tweeters and the crossovers for the install, so if the 5 1/4 JLs can be purchased by themselves, that would be ideal.
09-16-2012, 11:29 PM
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C5 525cw as a 130mm (5.25") mid-woofer only with the correct DIN flange.
Yeap, that looks good. Your 993s HiFi enclosure will thank you for it.
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09-17-2012, 12:53 PM
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I will be installing a Morel tweeter with a pod mount similar to Porsche.
Changing the woofer & mid-range drivers is a good leap forward in performance however the elephant in the room is NO EQ control and the desire for more power. A stock CDR-210 head unit driving a modern amp w/ DSP (EQ, XO, etc.) control would transform the Porsche HiFi system in one fell swoop,,,, with DSP the OEM drivers can be beat into submission. Enter the Mosconi One 60.4/DSP. It measures 8"x8"x1.75" with Windows running the DSP control. Here's a link..
http://mosconi-america.com/one604dsp.html ... new for summer 2012.
Hurculean DSP should be a first step in any 993 HiFi upgrade. The OEM system simple does not have any EQ. - Go figure.
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09-17-2012, 01:29 PM
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From this response I assume you are still using the Nokia crossover. Correct? Just spliced the new speaker modules into the existing wiring loom.
Yes, I used the 993s OEM/stock tweeter. I've also used the JL Audio 3/4" tweeter grafted to a stock OEM Porsche door door pod. Better H.F. performance but not worth the effort when using the stock Nokia Amp.
I will be installing a Morel tweeter which has pod mount similar to Porsche.
Changing the woofer & mid-range drivers is a good leap forward in performance however the elephant in the room is NO EQ control and more power. A stock CDR-210 driving a modern amp w/ DSP EQ control would transform the Porsche HiFi system in one fell swoop. Enter the Mosconi One 60.4/DSP. It measures 8"x8"x1.75" with Windows running the DSP control. Here's a link..
http://mosconi-america.com/one604dsp.html ... new for summer 2012.
Hurculean DSP should be a first step in any 993 HiFi upgrade. The system simple does not have any EQ. - Go figure.
I will be installing a Morel tweeter which has pod mount similar to Porsche.
Changing the woofer & mid-range drivers is a good leap forward in performance however the elephant in the room is NO EQ control and more power. A stock CDR-210 driving a modern amp w/ DSP EQ control would transform the Porsche HiFi system in one fell swoop. Enter the Mosconi One 60.4/DSP. It measures 8"x8"x1.75" with Windows running the DSP control. Here's a link..
http://mosconi-america.com/one604dsp.html ... new for summer 2012.
Hurculean DSP should be a first step in any 993 HiFi upgrade. The system simple does not have any EQ. - Go figure.
09-17-2012, 03:39 PM
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Yes I'm currently playing around with the passenger seat located Nokia amp/w XO in the system. The OEM system benefits greatly from the C5 -525cw woofer and the VW/Dyn mid-range install - greatly improved.
The piont to be made is this 1990s HiFi system has no EQ. Today's modern DSP in-a-box brings hurculean signal processing to bare. And DSP on the cheap $$. Its a Game Change.
The Pioneer DEX P99RS head unit is (and has been world class in terms of automotive DSP units for some time).... but its not the right mouse trap if you want to keep the dashboard asthetic stock as I prefer. There's a few pictures posted of the P99 installed and its not offennsive, not at all - just not stock. So now its the summer of 2012,,,, enter all these capable outboard DSP units coming available - we can have our cake and eat it too.
If anyone is local to the area you're welcome to stop bye and audition the HiFi with the new drivers with the OEM head unit and Nokia amp. Its a big step forward in performance.
At the end of the day I'll take that next step with the introduction of a DSP and using the stock CDR 210 to drive it all.
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09-18-2012, 11:25 PM
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Ordered JL Audio mid woofers from Crutchfield today. $300 + for pair including shipping. Attempted to order oem tweeter and mid range from Eingnlat. They reported no stock. I plan to try Sunset in the morning. Will give final report when installation is complete.
09-19-2012, 02:25 AM
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Haydn -
Yes I'm currently playing around with the passenger seat located Nokia amp/w XO in the system. The OEM system benefits greatly from the C5 -525cw woofer and the VW/Dyn mid-range install - greatly improved.
The piont to be made is this 1990s HiFi system has no EQ. Today's modern DSP in-a-box brings hurculean signal processing to bare. And DSP on the cheap $$. Its a Game Change.
I have a Pioneer DEX P99RS head unit which is world class in terms of automotive DSP units.... but its not the right mouse trap if you want to keep the dashboard asthetic stock. There's a few pictures posted of the P99 installed in the 993s dash and its not offennsive, not at all - just not stock. So now,, enter all these capable outboard DSP units coming available - we can have our cake and eat it too.
If anyone is local to the area you're welcome to stop bye and audition the HiFi with the new drivers with the OEM head unit and Nokia amp. Its a big step forward in performance.
At the end of the day I'll take that next step with the introduction of a DSP and using the stock CDR 210 to drive it all.
Yes I'm currently playing around with the passenger seat located Nokia amp/w XO in the system. The OEM system benefits greatly from the C5 -525cw woofer and the VW/Dyn mid-range install - greatly improved.
The piont to be made is this 1990s HiFi system has no EQ. Today's modern DSP in-a-box brings hurculean signal processing to bare. And DSP on the cheap $$. Its a Game Change.
I have a Pioneer DEX P99RS head unit which is world class in terms of automotive DSP units.... but its not the right mouse trap if you want to keep the dashboard asthetic stock. There's a few pictures posted of the P99 installed in the 993s dash and its not offennsive, not at all - just not stock. So now,, enter all these capable outboard DSP units coming available - we can have our cake and eat it too.
If anyone is local to the area you're welcome to stop bye and audition the HiFi with the new drivers with the OEM head unit and Nokia amp. Its a big step forward in performance.
At the end of the day I'll take that next step with the introduction of a DSP and using the stock CDR 210 to drive it all.
I have a CDR220 driving a Lunar 2125 into Oz Audio Matrix Elite component speakers, it sounds great, but a DSP could make it even better.
09-19-2012, 06:46 AM
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I replaced my 490 hifi amp with a 680 dsp
and also the armrests controller.
The amp is rare and expensive new (1800!).
Picked one up used for 250.
The controller is about 150 new.
all plug and play after removing pass seat.
quality improved but not for the audiophile.
fyi I also use a satechi soundfly Fm transmitter
with nice results.
and also the armrests controller.
The amp is rare and expensive new (1800!).
Picked one up used for 250.
The controller is about 150 new.
all plug and play after removing pass seat.
quality improved but not for the audiophile.
fyi I also use a satechi soundfly Fm transmitter
with nice results.
09-19-2012, 12:47 PM
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I have heard that the 944 part number speaker grilles for the non hi-fi rear speakers are no longer available. I replaced these when I dropped in new rear speakers a few years ago now. If you can find them ****** them up.
09-19-2012, 02:26 PM
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Nope, not really. A recent DSP to market is the outboard DSP module designed by a German engineer and built in Italy by Mosconi. Its the model, 6to8 DSP. Window's platform, bluetooth connection, 31band (1/3rd octave) EQ on all 8ch of output, Parametric EQ, XO pionts w/36db slopes, Time alignment, blah, blah.. What can't this DSP control?
Addtionally there's the older, time honored JBL unit, the model MS-8 DSP unit with auto tune. Alpine has a DSP XXX somethin, however only operational for Alpine radios..IIRC. There's the older Audison One DSP.
Here's a new 2012 Mosconi link; http://mosconi-america.com/dsp.html
Nope, not really. A recent DSP to market is the outboard DSP module designed by a German engineer and built in Italy by Mosconi. Its the model, 6to8 DSP. Window's platform, bluetooth connection, 31band (1/3rd octave) EQ on all 8ch of output, Parametric EQ, XO pionts w/36db slopes, Time alignment, blah, blah.. What can't this DSP control?
Addtionally there's the older, time honored JBL unit, the model MS-8 DSP unit with auto tune. Alpine has a DSP XXX somethin, however only operational for Alpine radios..IIRC. There's the older Audison One DSP.
Here's a new 2012 Mosconi link; http://mosconi-america.com/dsp.html
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09-20-2012, 12:01 AM
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Free-to-Good home are (2) OEM mid-range speakers from my MY98 993 HiFi door option; very good condition. You pay the UPS from ATL. PM me.
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10-03-2012, 10:02 PM
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Picked my car up from the body shop today after having them replace the door speakers. OEM mid range and tweeter. JL Audio mid woofer.
My car is a 97 with 70,000 miles. It's been garaged since new. The condition of the speakers removed was pretty bad. Mid range speakers were the worst with the cones clearly disintegrating. Tweeters had the bulb cone pushed in on one side. The woofers looked okay.
The clarity of the sound with new speakers is dramatically improved. What I can't really say is how much of the improvement is because of the JL Audio woofers or just having all new speakers. Non the less I regret that I did not do this sooner.
My car is a 97 with 70,000 miles. It's been garaged since new. The condition of the speakers removed was pretty bad. Mid range speakers were the worst with the cones clearly disintegrating. Tweeters had the bulb cone pushed in on one side. The woofers looked okay.
The clarity of the sound with new speakers is dramatically improved. What I can't really say is how much of the improvement is because of the JL Audio woofers or just having all new speakers. Non the less I regret that I did not do this sooner.
10-04-2012, 09:39 AM
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Having owned the 993 since new, the history with the HiFi charactor is over a decade. In a word the HiFi system performance is lack lustre-dull. - it sucks. The HiFi system has the goods so to speak, but without broad system EQ the outcome falls waaay short of dynamic.
From the recent acoustic measurements taken, the full range speaker replacement earns the most impact of the enclosures 2 speaker layout. In the 993 HiFi option speaker arrangement,, both the (mid)-woofer (5.25") and full range (3") should be considered equal partners. The cross over piont (approx. 300hz to 400hz fixed) of the Nokia amplifier bare's this out; in the upper register the full-range speaker is not actually crossed over to the tweeter as a capacitor is used for protection., the two simply overlap each others useable range and then decay.
That being said, the mid-woofer replacement (JL unit) really cleans up the lower mid-range from 500hz on down. The OX point for the mid-woofer is (measures) 500hz. Additionally the base-reflex enclosure of the HiFi option does its best to exploit the lower side of 100hz or so.. With the addition of EQ the HiFi options door enclosure would be a gem.
From the recent acoustic measurements taken, the full range speaker replacement earns the most impact of the enclosures 2 speaker layout. In the 993 HiFi option speaker arrangement,, both the (mid)-woofer (5.25") and full range (3") should be considered equal partners. The cross over piont (approx. 300hz to 400hz fixed) of the Nokia amplifier bare's this out; in the upper register the full-range speaker is not actually crossed over to the tweeter as a capacitor is used for protection., the two simply overlap each others useable range and then decay.
That being said, the mid-woofer replacement (JL unit) really cleans up the lower mid-range from 500hz on down. The OX point for the mid-woofer is (measures) 500hz. Additionally the base-reflex enclosure of the HiFi option does its best to exploit the lower side of 100hz or so.. With the addition of EQ the HiFi options door enclosure would be a gem.
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