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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 11:45 AM
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In light of the rant on 993 oil changes, and my suggestion that who'd rather have a 996 so it would be less of a hassle, I posed a question awhile back. Thought going into the weekend it might provide for some entertainment. So.........

Think back to the mid-90's, and Porsche understanding what they had to do to stay in business. What would you rather have seen as the 993.2 (or 996, if you prefer)?

1. 993 as it existed in 1998, just "updated" with the M96 engine.

2. 996 as it existed for 1999, just retaining the 993 air cooled engine.

No other possibilities. Don't bring up the Mk 1 GT3 engine. Don't bring up turbocharged powerplants. 1 and 2 are your choices.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 12:04 PM
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Talk about cutting the baby in half. Solomon would approve...

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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob Yasek
Talk about cutting the baby in half. Solomon would approve...

There's an OBDI/OBDII joke for you in there somewhere.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 12:13 PM
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Who in their right mind would prefer the 996 body shape over the 993. Do you really think there is more than one choice here.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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I'm confused... are you sayint the 98 993 had the 996 powerplant? Or is this just a hypothetical question?
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CorrdoBrit
Who in their right mind would prefer the 996 body shape over the 993. Do you really think there is more than one choice here.
Depends how much you dislike the M96. It's a tough call, but I don't know many who would put up with difficult oil changes in a car that doesn't look good (by comparison).
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CorrdoBrit
Who in their right mind would prefer the 996 body shape over the 993. Do you really think there is more than one choice here.
Yeah these are the choices I laid out, since I posed it.

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I'm confused... are you sayint the 98 993 had the 996 powerplant? Or is this just a hypothetical question?
??? I'm not sure anyone can confuse the 3.6L air cooled engine (964, 993, 993 Varioram, or competition versions), with the M96 3.4L (or Boxster variants). I posed the question in relation to development of the "911" at that point in time. Porsche could have updated the 993 enough to install a next-generation engine, ditching what was. But they went clean sheet. (And I get that there's no way the air cooled engine, as it went out the door with the 993, was going to be continued given the reality of the day.)

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Depends how much you dislike the M96. It's a tough call, but I don't know many who would put up with difficult oil changes in a car that doesn't look good (by comparison).
Where I come out is that "we" (the aftermarket serving us out-of-warranty owners) would have figured out how to make an M96 bulletproof. Which eventually happened, and is available today. If a 996 were worth 993 money, you'd have many, many more in the business of saving the cars.

Reason this all came up is that there's yet another dead 996 laying around for the taking, and the guy who has access to it wondered if an "old" 911 engine would fit............
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 02:49 PM
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I would go with choice 2 (996 body with 993 engine) because the air cooled engine is what makes our 993s so desirable. If Porsche would have put a water cooled engine in the 993, everyone would have wanted a 964.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by race911
??? I'm not sure anyone can confuse the 3.6L air cooled engine (964, 993, 993 Varioram, or competition versions), with the M96 3.4L (or Boxster variants).
Niche can! Take it easy on the boy, we're still trying to teach him which end of the screwdriver to hold...

(jus kiddin' Javi.... )

Actually, its an interesting question, Ken. Its a body vs motor question. I'll take the body of the 993. The motor of the 993, while a compelling reason to own it isn't the reason for my love affair. Now, that **** on her........ahhhh, love at first sight!
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 04:52 PM
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Aren't the 993 engine dry sump while the 996 wet?
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 04:54 PM
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My choice:

Body of a 993 with 996 m96 engine... then rip out the engine, burn it and put in 996tt engine!

Keith, I was confused... so sue me. You've been confused about boys or girls forever! j/k, buddy, I know your not confused... right?
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by blakecam
I would go with choice 2 (996 body with 993 engine) because the air cooled engine is what makes our 993s so desirable. If Porsche would have put a water cooled engine in the 993, everyone would have wanted a 964.
...or 993.1
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by doc_porsche
Aren't the 993 engine dry sump while the 996 wet?
Sort of. Check out what a true dry sump engine is all about. Any of the "911" engines (as we'll refer to the split case models, no matter what year) have quite a bit of oil stored in the crankcase.

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My choice:

Body of a 993 with 996 m96 engine... then rip out the engine, burn it and put in 996tt engine!
Of course. There are many variations on this. Personally, I'd do some generation of GT3 engine in a 993. And if we'll stay in the moment of 1999 (and Y2K panic......remember that???), I'd say a Mk 1 GT3 unit. Imagine what kind of neat water radiator setup the factory could have come up with to fit in the nose of a 993.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 06:46 PM
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The air-cooled engine was the biggest technical problem that Porsche had to overcome at the time, so based on that, a 993 with the M96 engine would have been a better choice for me.

But the 996 was more technologically advanced in many ways and weighed less than a 993. Also, the 993 was the stop-gap measure since Porsche did not have the financial where-with-all to develop the 996.

I think if the only would have not gone to Boxster headlights, all would have been good in Porsche-land.
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Old Aug 3, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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It was more than the headlights. The 996 body was butt ugly.
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