Recap of the SAI circuit
#332
Post #3. Basically tricks the ECU to see the O2 readings the ECU is expecting during the SAI cycle.
https://rennlist.com/forums/8853890-post3.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/8853890-post3.html
#333
Lewis,
Since the grounds for the O2 sensors are tied together, I can simply run a ground wire to the closest O2 connector, correct? And, then for the two O2 sensors on the opposite side of the engine bay, can I utilize a single shielded pair to pick up both O2 terminal connectors? Or, is there a possibility of cross talk between the two O2 sensors? Otherwise, it appears that I would have to run two shielded pairs across the engine compartment, right? I'm just trying to eliminate one 60 inch shielded pair from the mix.
Since the grounds for the O2 sensors are tied together, I can simply run a ground wire to the closest O2 connector, correct? And, then for the two O2 sensors on the opposite side of the engine bay, can I utilize a single shielded pair to pick up both O2 terminal connectors? Or, is there a possibility of cross talk between the two O2 sensors? Otherwise, it appears that I would have to run two shielded pairs across the engine compartment, right? I'm just trying to eliminate one 60 inch shielded pair from the mix.
I'm running one cable with 2 twisted shielded wires to the other side. I ran it along the engine brace so it was only about 36 inches long.
#334
There are six leads [ground (or is it power?) at 30 amp fuse(?), trigger at 87 post on relay, 4 O2 sensors (somewhere in some connectors?)] with two of the sensor leads going to the other side of the engine compartment? Wasn't picking up on that in the OP pictures. Seemed like there are 4 leads- ground (power?), trigger, and two to the sensor connectors immediately adjacent to fuse box.
Guess I'll to wait to receive one of these babies before becoming completely and hopelessly baffled about installing it...
Yes, I am an electrical dunce.
Guess I'll to wait to receive one of these babies before becoming completely and hopelessly baffled about installing it...
Yes, I am an electrical dunce.
Last edited by jimbo3; 11-22-2011 at 10:16 AM.
#335
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Got the package today Lewis, you're an electrical genius! The check is in the mail.
Thanks also to flying_low for putting this together.
Really appreciate what you guys have done!
Thanks also to flying_low for putting this together.
Really appreciate what you guys have done!
#338
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#339
I also got mine in the mail and thanks to you and Flying Low.Flying Low is the one that orginally posted schematic of which Lewis made the circuit board from.
Here is my take on wiring of circuit board.There are 2 terminals on one side,being Blue and Gray.The other side has 8 terminals.4 being Black and other 4 are optional grey grounds.Flying Low or anybody else correct me if this is not correct.
1--- Hook Blue up to Sai Relay terminal
2--Hook Grey up to a good ground
3--- Hook 2 Black wires from other side of circuit board to the 2 Black wires on 02 Connection ,Drivers side.
4-- Hook other 2 Black wires from circuit box to the passenger side Black 02 sensor connection via a 36 inch shielded cable
Is this correct or do the other 4 grey terminals need to be grounded?Any input appreciated for us that are Electrically challenged
#340
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Each of the 4 two terminal blocks on the right side of the PCB has a single O2 sensor connection and an optional GND connection.
All 5 of the GND terminals (1each per the 4 mentioned above plus the one on the left side of the board) are identical. They are all the same connection on the PCB. Hooking up to one is the same as hooking up to another one.
You can run a single GND connection or you can run multiple GND connections. It depends on your O2 cable wiring choice. I designed it to support multiple types and wire gauges.
Also, since I didn't know how/where/in what orientation the board willbe mounted in and what type/size cable is used, I did not drill the plastic enclosures.
The board is a simple implementation of the schematic shown on post #1 of this thread. It can be hooked up exactly as flying_low did, or you can adapt your own wiring choice.
All 5 of the GND terminals (1each per the 4 mentioned above plus the one on the left side of the board) are identical. They are all the same connection on the PCB. Hooking up to one is the same as hooking up to another one.
You can run a single GND connection or you can run multiple GND connections. It depends on your O2 cable wiring choice. I designed it to support multiple types and wire gauges.
Also, since I didn't know how/where/in what orientation the board willbe mounted in and what type/size cable is used, I did not drill the plastic enclosures.
The board is a simple implementation of the schematic shown on post #1 of this thread. It can be hooked up exactly as flying_low did, or you can adapt your own wiring choice.
#341
So Lewis if I understand you correctly,if I ground Grey wire on 2 terminal side of PCB the other 4 grounds on the other side of PCB will be automatically grounded?This would be ideal as you won't have to run any extra wires.Is this correct?
#342
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There can be argument made for running twisted pair to each O2 sensor rather than just a single wire, as a twisted pair will have better noise immunity than a single wire.
Again, I designed the PCB to accommodate either choice.
As flying_low has demonstrated, a single wire to each O2 sensor works.
#343
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I have a question regarding susceptibility to electrical interference with unshielded stranded copper wiring. All other things being equal, would a larger gauge be more or less susceptible to electrical interference than a smaller gauge? Or would there be no difference?
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Moving this list to a new page to track easier
Added: added LAT, Mercedesben, scphelps1, aerocrosby, rbeggs to second round list.
This list for the first round of boards is now closed. I've started a Waiting/Back-up list below for those that missed this first run.
Quick reminders:
1) unless otherwise noted, it's assumed you are asking for an assembled unit.
2) enclosures are optional - feel free to update/ Post a reply/ PM and I'll update the list if you are looking for an enclosure.
Payment Info posted by Lewis (from post #147):
Once assembled, I will start sending PM's so folks can provide me their shipping addresses. Inside the package will be the unit, a hardcopy of the schematic, a hardcopy of the PCB layout and a return address envelope. When you get the unit and everything is OK, just use the envelope to send payment. I am a trusting person when it comes to RL members, so I have no problem sending out the units prior to receiving payment.
Backup/Waiting/2nd Round List
Added: added LAT, Mercedesben, scphelps1, aerocrosby, rbeggs to second round list.
This list for the first round of boards is now closed. I've started a Waiting/Back-up list below for those that missed this first run.
Quick reminders:
1) unless otherwise noted, it's assumed you are asking for an assembled unit.
2) enclosures are optional - feel free to update/ Post a reply/ PM and I'll update the list if you are looking for an enclosure.
Payment Info posted by Lewis (from post #147):
Once assembled, I will start sending PM's so folks can provide me their shipping addresses. Inside the package will be the unit, a hardcopy of the schematic, a hardcopy of the PCB layout and a return address envelope. When you get the unit and everything is OK, just use the envelope to send payment. I am a trusting person when it comes to RL members, so I have no problem sending out the units prior to receiving payment.
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Last edited by Ash; 11-27-2011 at 02:05 AM.
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Just got back home from a business trip to find the package waiting. Thanks again Lewis...check is going out tomorrow first thing.
Much gratitude to your wife for helping out...it's a lot of work.
Cheers!
Much gratitude to your wife for helping out...it's a lot of work.
Cheers!