993 or 997
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For a daily driver, 997 hands down.... But for a fun weekend car, you need to drive a 993 and see what you think, the answer will be clear....
There is just something about a 993 that speaks to me, no its not the fastest, nor the best handling. But the way it does it.. the feel.. the feedback... nothing matches it in my mind... If you drive one and dont get that same feeling, then buy a 997... its a better car....
Just my 2 cents.
There is just something about a 993 that speaks to me, no its not the fastest, nor the best handling. But the way it does it.. the feel.. the feedback... nothing matches it in my mind... If you drive one and dont get that same feeling, then buy a 997... its a better car....
Just my 2 cents.
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Price-wise, the 997 is comparable to the widebody 993s. I would go with the widebody 993. Looks much better. However, the 993 is slow in day-to-day traffic unless you're at a track or a windy road.
Then again, if you have a widebody 993s, you probably wouldn't be driving it day to day anyway.
Then again, if you have a widebody 993s, you probably wouldn't be driving it day to day anyway.
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All depends on what "trips your trigger". You just have to decide what kind of a person you are when it comes to picking out a car that describes who you are. Life is just too full of compromises. For me, a 993 is not a compromise. I just can't get over how excited I get every time I turn the key and hear that "bark" of the 993 coming to life.
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I have looked and pondered this for a while, and I am sticking to the 993's. Most of my reasoning is technical, and the following is based on my personal opinion.
The 996 and 997's share a lot of engine design, and there are systemic problems that have been identified, and some that are emerging. If you want to be scared, read some of the information on this web site
http://www.hartech.org/buyers.html
and especially:
http://www.hartech.org/docs/buyers%2...20part%205.pdf
Some of the issue scare the hell out of me, and things like SAI's are nothing compared to grooving cylinder bores or blowing IMS bearings (with practically no warning). Valve guide wear on a 993 can be tolerated for years, IMS problems for about 5 seconds. I have also spent a fair amount of time on various Porsche water-cooled sites, and there seem to be some trends.
I really do like the look of the 997's since they hark back to the 993's, but they are just too complex for their own good.
I have been researching, and realize that deep technical work on cars post 993 gets beyond the DIY'er really quickly. For me, than means I need to pay someone to do that work when it occurs (and it WILL occur), and I hate doing that. I would especially hate to buy a crate engine from Porsche, that would hurt! A key component for me is to be able to do my own maintenance and fixes.
As far as driving goes, for me, forget the 996's. I have driven a few, and just was not impressed. Yes, they haul *** for sure, but it does not feel fast, and its just too isolated. I have also driven the 996 Turbo, VERY fast, but again not impressed enough to switch. The 997's, yes with an S they are very nice drivers indeed, and from a pure driving point of view quite good. I could enjoy these cars except for a few problems (technical and excessive depreciation).
As far as cost goes, the 996's prices sunk like a rock, and the 997 prices are also falling. i suspect that the 993' prices have pretty well stabilized, especially with the 964 and previous prices being stable. So the depreciation costs are much less for a 993.
Its true that maintenance of a 993 is likely to be higher than the 996/997's until an engine blows...
. Mind you, a 993 engine rebuild is more than a 996/997 rebuilt engine, but it just that its more likely to occur on the water cooled cars.
So what's the conclusion? For me, stick with the 993 even as a daily driver (which it is for me three seasons of the year).
Cheers,
Mike
The 996 and 997's share a lot of engine design, and there are systemic problems that have been identified, and some that are emerging. If you want to be scared, read some of the information on this web site
http://www.hartech.org/buyers.html
and especially:
http://www.hartech.org/docs/buyers%2...20part%205.pdf
Some of the issue scare the hell out of me, and things like SAI's are nothing compared to grooving cylinder bores or blowing IMS bearings (with practically no warning). Valve guide wear on a 993 can be tolerated for years, IMS problems for about 5 seconds. I have also spent a fair amount of time on various Porsche water-cooled sites, and there seem to be some trends.
I really do like the look of the 997's since they hark back to the 993's, but they are just too complex for their own good.
I have been researching, and realize that deep technical work on cars post 993 gets beyond the DIY'er really quickly. For me, than means I need to pay someone to do that work when it occurs (and it WILL occur), and I hate doing that. I would especially hate to buy a crate engine from Porsche, that would hurt! A key component for me is to be able to do my own maintenance and fixes.
As far as driving goes, for me, forget the 996's. I have driven a few, and just was not impressed. Yes, they haul *** for sure, but it does not feel fast, and its just too isolated. I have also driven the 996 Turbo, VERY fast, but again not impressed enough to switch. The 997's, yes with an S they are very nice drivers indeed, and from a pure driving point of view quite good. I could enjoy these cars except for a few problems (technical and excessive depreciation).
As far as cost goes, the 996's prices sunk like a rock, and the 997 prices are also falling. i suspect that the 993' prices have pretty well stabilized, especially with the 964 and previous prices being stable. So the depreciation costs are much less for a 993.
Its true that maintenance of a 993 is likely to be higher than the 996/997's until an engine blows...
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So what's the conclusion? For me, stick with the 993 even as a daily driver (which it is for me three seasons of the year).
Cheers,
Mike
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Hit this from a bunch of angles:
Why? I'm thankful I unloaded mine last week. Certainly hoping the new owner enjoys it as a companion to his similar 30K one he can't really drive for fear of depreciating it, but comparing to the two 993s the RSA did nothing better.
And there is what keeps half of us here from having a a 997 in the stable, right?
Uh..............................see my other thread about 4K miles up and back from the Sierras to ski, 600 miles at a time since Thanksgiving? Why would I drive anything else, since I have a POS example that's fully depreciated?
Why? I'm thankful I unloaded mine last week. Certainly hoping the new owner enjoys it as a companion to his similar 30K one he can't really drive for fear of depreciating it, but comparing to the two 993s the RSA did nothing better.
Uh..............................see my other thread about 4K miles up and back from the Sierras to ski, 600 miles at a time since Thanksgiving? Why would I drive anything else, since I have a POS example that's fully depreciated?
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I enjoy my 993 so much I got rid of my new 09 C4S. The new one lost the Porsche soul, if that makes sense. Too much like Lexus. Now between the 997.1 vs 997.2, I would always go for the 997.1. I loved my 06 C2S 6 speed non-DFI motor. Overall I still choose the 993. In my opinion the best Porsche ever.
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as others have said, it would be easier to live with the 997 on a daily basis. Dare I say it's a throw away car and you would probably worry a lot less about parking it. or if for some unfortunate reason it gets trashed, it's much easier to replace.... 993 hands down, unless you get into GT cars and turbos, but they are still way out of the average 993 price range.
If you want SOUL and a massive grin on your face every time you drive it, I'd suggest the 993. On the flip side, I am not worried about the M97 engine issues becuase I purchased mine under a two year CPO. Once that expires, I am out and on to the next Porsche DD...
(I still long for a 97/98 993 C2S with Aero Kit - those curves!)
Good luck.
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I enjoy my 993 so much I got rid of my new 09 C4S. The new one lost the Porsche soul, if that makes sense. Too much like Lexus. Now between the 997.1 vs 997.2, I would always go for the 997.1. I loved my 06 C2S 6 speed non-DFI motor. Overall I still choose the 993. In my opinion the best Porsche ever.
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For a daily driver, 997 hands down.... But for a fun weekend car, you need to drive a 993 and see what you think, the answer will be clear....
There is just something about a 993 that speaks to me, no its not the fastest, nor the best handling. But the way it does it.. the feel.. the feedback... nothing matches it in my mind... If you drive one and dont get that same feeling, then buy a 997... its a better car....
Just my 2 cents.
There is just something about a 993 that speaks to me, no its not the fastest, nor the best handling. But the way it does it.. the feel.. the feedback... nothing matches it in my mind... If you drive one and dont get that same feeling, then buy a 997... its a better car....
Just my 2 cents.