Fiend says avoid '95 at all costs
12-19-2010, 11:09 AM
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Most of us know that this thread is a waste of bandwidth.
I recommend that the OP just delete it before it becomes another engine tray or motor oil pissing contest...
I recommend that the OP just delete it before it becomes another engine tray or motor oil pissing contest...
12-19-2010, 11:11 AM
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I had no idea that my '94 was such a lemon compared to '96 and up.
Served me well to date so i'll just hang in there
I think it's nit-picking to compare all the minute "upgrades" done on the same model over a short period. Basically if the car has been well looked after by someone reasonably intelligent, any or all 993's are so special.
My 2 bits
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Served me well to date so i'll just hang in there
I think it's nit-picking to compare all the minute "upgrades" done on the same model over a short period. Basically if the car has been well looked after by someone reasonably intelligent, any or all 993's are so special.
My 2 bits
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12-19-2010, 11:29 AM
#48
Race Car
Removing over all condition from the equation I personally would prefer a 96-98.
*Faster ECU with a more accurate mixture control
*much more monitoring/testing data using the Porsche system tester II then the Bosch 9288
*more horse power
*better torque curve (not as much a track issue as lugging through stop/go traffic)
*no chance of the orange through bolt o-rings (orange/black/green.. its been a long time, but
it took them a while to get it right. This required a complete tare down of the motor to correct)
*updated control arms and cross member (there where poor handling chararistics in the geometry of the
rear control arms that Porsche discovered in 95 and improved)
*the beautiful howl of the varioram
*better looking 3rd brake light
*keyless entry drive-block immobilizer
*wide body option
*newer, easy one
*more color options, inside and out
95 was a crossover year and there where some undesirable parts taken from the earlier C2 that where later updated on the 96-98 cars, then superseded due to better design.
A 95 car will not throw a check engine light due to SAI ports being clogged from worn valve guides. Many 95 owners looked for cars of this year for that reason even though these cars suffer from the same valve guide issues.
Not popular belief amongst the Rennlist culture but I have been around these cars since creation; it’s my view and im sticking to it.
Hey I would take a 95 over a 94 or 99 all day though
EDIT:
Porsche did change the rear suspension in 96. When the 993 TT was in development the castings where all tossed out and beefed up as well as
demension modifications wide body and narrow body. I think we are on the 5th generation of control arm tweeks. 95 to 96 was a substantial change
requiring whole new part numbers that are not interchangable unless all of it is updated. Then next 4 generations are minor tweeks that are indicated
by superseded numbers after the 96-98 part number.
I don't know you or your friend, but I think he knows dick.
*Faster ECU with a more accurate mixture control
*much more monitoring/testing data using the Porsche system tester II then the Bosch 9288
*more horse power
*better torque curve (not as much a track issue as lugging through stop/go traffic)
*no chance of the orange through bolt o-rings (orange/black/green.. its been a long time, but
it took them a while to get it right. This required a complete tare down of the motor to correct)
*updated control arms and cross member (there where poor handling chararistics in the geometry of the
rear control arms that Porsche discovered in 95 and improved)
*the beautiful howl of the varioram
*better looking 3rd brake light
*keyless entry drive-block immobilizer
*wide body option
*newer, easy one
*more color options, inside and out
95 was a crossover year and there where some undesirable parts taken from the earlier C2 that where later updated on the 96-98 cars, then superseded due to better design.
A 95 car will not throw a check engine light due to SAI ports being clogged from worn valve guides. Many 95 owners looked for cars of this year for that reason even though these cars suffer from the same valve guide issues.
Not popular belief amongst the Rennlist culture but I have been around these cars since creation; it’s my view and im sticking to it.
Hey I would take a 95 over a 94 or 99 all day though
EDIT:
Porsche did change the rear suspension in 96. When the 993 TT was in development the castings where all tossed out and beefed up as well as
demension modifications wide body and narrow body. I think we are on the 5th generation of control arm tweeks. 95 to 96 was a substantial change
requiring whole new part numbers that are not interchangable unless all of it is updated. Then next 4 generations are minor tweeks that are indicated
by superseded numbers after the 96-98 part number.
I don't know you or your friend, but I think he knows dick.
12-19-2010, 11:45 AM
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Removing over all condition from the equation I personally would prefer a 96-98.
*Faster ECU with a more accurate mixture control
*much more monitoring/testing data using the Porsche system tester II then the Bosch 9288
*more horse power
*better torque curve (not as much a track issue as lugging through stop/go traffic)
*no chance of the orange through bolt o-rings (orange/black/green.. its been a long time, but
it took them a while to get it right. This required a complete tare down of the motor to correct)
*updated control arms and cross member (there where poor handling chararistics in the geometry of the
rear control arms that Porsche discovered in 95 and improved)
*the beautiful howl of the varioram
*better looking 3rd brake light
*keyless entry drive-block immobilizer
*wide body option
*newer, easy one
*more color options, inside and out
95 was a crossover year and there where some undesirable parts taken from the earlier C2 that where later updated on the 96-98 cars, then superseded due to better design.
A 95 car will not throw a check engine light due to SAI ports being clogged from worn valve guides. Many 95 owners looked for cars of this year for that reason even though these cars suffer from the same valve guide issues.
Not popular belief amongst the Rennlist culture but I have been around these cars since creation; it’s my view and im sticking to it.
Hey I would take a 95 over a 94 or 99 all day though
EDIT:
Porsche did change the rear suspension in 96. When the 993 TT was in development the castings where all tossed out and beefed up as well as
demension modifications wide body and narrow body. I think we are on the 5th generation of control arm tweeks. 95 to 96 was a substantial change
requiring whole new part numbers that are not interchangable unless all of it is updated. Then next 4 generations are minor tweeks that are indicated
by superseded numbers after the 96-98 part number.
I don't know you or your friend, but I think he knows dick.
*Faster ECU with a more accurate mixture control
*much more monitoring/testing data using the Porsche system tester II then the Bosch 9288
*more horse power
*better torque curve (not as much a track issue as lugging through stop/go traffic)
*no chance of the orange through bolt o-rings (orange/black/green.. its been a long time, but
it took them a while to get it right. This required a complete tare down of the motor to correct)
*updated control arms and cross member (there where poor handling chararistics in the geometry of the
rear control arms that Porsche discovered in 95 and improved)
*the beautiful howl of the varioram
*better looking 3rd brake light
*keyless entry drive-block immobilizer
*wide body option
*newer, easy one
*more color options, inside and out
95 was a crossover year and there where some undesirable parts taken from the earlier C2 that where later updated on the 96-98 cars, then superseded due to better design.
A 95 car will not throw a check engine light due to SAI ports being clogged from worn valve guides. Many 95 owners looked for cars of this year for that reason even though these cars suffer from the same valve guide issues.
Not popular belief amongst the Rennlist culture but I have been around these cars since creation; it’s my view and im sticking to it.
Hey I would take a 95 over a 94 or 99 all day though
EDIT:
Porsche did change the rear suspension in 96. When the 993 TT was in development the castings where all tossed out and beefed up as well as
demension modifications wide body and narrow body. I think we are on the 5th generation of control arm tweeks. 95 to 96 was a substantial change
requiring whole new part numbers that are not interchangable unless all of it is updated. Then next 4 generations are minor tweeks that are indicated
by superseded numbers after the 96-98 part number.
I don't know you or your friend, but I think he knows dick.
12-19-2010, 12:17 PM
#52
Race Car
This is a '96 993 passing Mustangs and Miatas left and right. Try that on a 95!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q54bR87Ni-Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q54bR87Ni-Y
12-19-2010, 12:32 PM
#53
Team Owner
I think there is something to the fiend's advice. Our '95's plastic leaf springs in the rear and pneumatic front suspension taken from the Citroen have both been a maintenance nightmare. We do enjoy bouncing the front end up and down at traffic lights while cruising Juarez late at night but is it worth the trouble? I think not. Glad they were addressed in '96.
We did solve the lack of torque (43 nm stock) by installing a nitrous system which not only makes the car faster, but makes it SEEM much faster when we whiff it as we drive along. When caught speeding, we get out of being stopped by a cop by spraying him with some of this nitrous. The cop goes to sleep, we put him in the back of his car and then drive off. So far - no tickets and many happy police when they wake up laughing from the gas.
I do prefer the "Don't Check Engine" light over the 96's "Check Engine" light. We've had our cars years now and so far haven't bothered to even open the hood because the "Don't..." light remains on.
We did solve the lack of torque (43 nm stock) by installing a nitrous system which not only makes the car faster, but makes it SEEM much faster when we whiff it as we drive along. When caught speeding, we get out of being stopped by a cop by spraying him with some of this nitrous. The cop goes to sleep, we put him in the back of his car and then drive off. So far - no tickets and many happy police when they wake up laughing from the gas.
I do prefer the "Don't Check Engine" light over the 96's "Check Engine" light. We've had our cars years now and so far haven't bothered to even open the hood because the "Don't..." light remains on.
12-19-2010, 12:32 PM
#54
Drifting
Howard:
A factor that hasn't been mentioned, I believe, is that the early '95s did not have the immobilizer (Porsche Drive Block), which can be a problem in the later models.
A factor that hasn't been mentioned, I believe, is that the early '95s did not have the immobilizer (Porsche Drive Block), which can be a problem in the later models.
12-19-2010, 12:45 PM
#55
Racer
Also an early 95 will have a removable first gear. Most 95s and all 96 up cars have a fixed first and second gear. If you decide to regear the trans to the ROW or other performance ratios it is less expensive to alter the early 95 box. This change happened in late 94 . MY95 cars.
I would hope that's not the case...
12-19-2010, 02:07 PM
#58
RL Technical Advisor
12-19-2010, 02:21 PM
#59
Rennlist Member
Maybe I missed it from quickly scanning, but didn't the "'95 suspension issue" come from Joel Reiser's hissy fit in Panorama a few years back?
(If it wasn't Resier, I apologize in advance. But it WAS someone writing tech for Panorama, who has high level street and race experience.)
(If it wasn't Resier, I apologize in advance. But it WAS someone writing tech for Panorama, who has high level street and race experience.)
