Pinging/Low Power: Tried much. Bright Ideas?
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Coincidentally, I drove my '95 yesterday and had similar symptoms, no pinging but way down on power, RSR exhaust has funny sound, sounds like an old Beetle. 2 weeks ago, the car ran like a scalded cat on the track. My first thought was the distributor belt is broken.
I will look at it today. What are the symptoms of a broken belt? Can it cause any further damage as I drove around locally about 5 miles?
I will look at it today. What are the symptoms of a broken belt? Can it cause any further damage as I drove around locally about 5 miles?
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Coincidentally, I drove my '95 yesterday and had similar symptoms, no pinging but way down on power, RSR exhaust has funny sound, sounds like an old Beetle. 2 weeks ago, the car ran like a scalded cat on the track. My first thought was the distributor belt is broken.
I will look at it today. What are the symptoms of a broken belt? Can it cause any further damage as I drove around locally about 5 miles?
I will look at it today. What are the symptoms of a broken belt? Can it cause any further damage as I drove around locally about 5 miles?
Pull the lower distributor cap off and see if the rotor turns freely or not. If so, its time for a belt replacement. If the rotor cannot be moved, the belt is intact and its time to look at other things. Pull the upper cap off and observe the positions of the rotors to see that they are pointing at the rotor phasing marks when #1 is at TDC. This ensures that the belt hasn't slipped.
If the belt is OK, I'd be checking to see if both upper and lower plugs have spark. If they do, its off to check fuel delivery.
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I had this problem and I cured it by sorting out the vacuum three way port on the left hand side of the Varioram as it had collapsed.
See Jackb911's post here
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...s-working.html
Sorted out my pinging problem
Ash
See Jackb911's post here
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...s-working.html
Sorted out my pinging problem
Ash
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Pull the lower distributor cap off and see if the rotor turns freely or not. If so, its time for a belt replacement. If the rotor cannot be moved, the belt is intact and its time to look at other things. Pull the upper cap off and observe the positions of the rotors to see that they are pointing at the rotor phasing marks when #1 is at TDC. This ensures that the belt hasn't slipped.
I had this problem and I cured it by sorting out the vacuum three way port on the left hand side of the Varioram as it had collapsed.
See Jackb911's post here
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...s-working.html
Sorted out my pinging problem
Ash
See Jackb911's post here
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...s-working.html
Sorted out my pinging problem
Ash
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Thanks Steve, I tried both tests, good news is belt is intact.
1. disconnected the primary coil and the car started off the secondary
2. Took off the caps today and secondary rotor does not turn freely indicating belt is intact.
I then rotated engine to TDC (Z1) and noted that both rotors point to #1 so I assume the belt has not skipped a tooth.
The contacts in the caps are very worn and amazing the car even starts and runs.
I will be ordering cap/rotor kit soon, going through PO records to see if wires were done. Getting ready for the sticker shock. Can worn caps cause these symptoms? Car feels like it's 150hp instead of closer to 300.
1. disconnected the primary coil and the car started off the secondary
2. Took off the caps today and secondary rotor does not turn freely indicating belt is intact.
I then rotated engine to TDC (Z1) and noted that both rotors point to #1 so I assume the belt has not skipped a tooth.
The contacts in the caps are very worn and amazing the car even starts and runs.
I will be ordering cap/rotor kit soon, going through PO records to see if wires were done. Getting ready for the sticker shock. Can worn caps cause these symptoms? Car feels like it's 150hp instead of closer to 300.
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Update:
-Checked to see that belt was unbroken and has not slipped. Both rotors lined up to the hash marks at #1 TDC. Rotors looked practically brand new.
-Unplugged one coil at a time - car runs fine on either one. It sure doesn't sound like it's missing.
-No codes (still). MAF seems to be fine as do knock sensors. Throttle opens 100%.
-Fuel pressure is good.
-Up next - cat delete pipes. Do these updates shed any light for anyone?
a frustrated thanks in advance.
-Checked to see that belt was unbroken and has not slipped. Both rotors lined up to the hash marks at #1 TDC. Rotors looked practically brand new.
-Unplugged one coil at a time - car runs fine on either one. It sure doesn't sound like it's missing.
-No codes (still). MAF seems to be fine as do knock sensors. Throttle opens 100%.
-Fuel pressure is good.
-Up next - cat delete pipes. Do these updates shed any light for anyone?
a frustrated thanks in advance.
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Thanks Steve, I tried both tests, good news is belt is intact.
1. disconnected the primary coil and the car started off the secondary
2. Took off the caps today and secondary rotor does not turn freely indicating belt is intact.
I then rotated engine to TDC (Z1) and noted that both rotors point to #1 so I assume the belt has not skipped a tooth.
The contacts in the caps are very worn and amazing the car even starts and runs.
I will be ordering cap/rotor kit soon, going through PO records to see if wires were done. Getting ready for the sticker shock. Can worn caps cause these symptoms? Car feels like it's 150hp instead of closer to 300.
1. disconnected the primary coil and the car started off the secondary
2. Took off the caps today and secondary rotor does not turn freely indicating belt is intact.
I then rotated engine to TDC (Z1) and noted that both rotors point to #1 so I assume the belt has not skipped a tooth.
The contacts in the caps are very worn and amazing the car even starts and runs.
I will be ordering cap/rotor kit soon, going through PO records to see if wires were done. Getting ready for the sticker shock. Can worn caps cause these symptoms? Car feels like it's 150hp instead of closer to 300.
I'd also confirm the proper operation of the intake manifold's resonance flap: its vacuum operated and will cause a big loss of power if its not functioning.
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Is fuel pressure good under load or only at part throttle? Thinking aloud, the engine needs compression, spark & fuel/air to run. You can check compression and leak down although I wouldn't start there. Plugged cats/exhaust will choke an engine. Are you saying you have cat delete pipes?
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Is fuel pressure good under load or only at part throttle? Thinking aloud, the engine needs compression, spark & fuel/air to run. You can check compression and leak down although I wouldn't start there. Plugged cats/exhaust will choke an engine. Are you saying you have cat delete pipes?
fuel pressure is good at idle. how to check under load?
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Its time to look at short term fuel trims as well as Lambda values. Do you have access to a Hammer?
Don't worry any further about fuel pressure at this point,.........
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A couple thoughts:
- like Steve said, replace your plugs if they're not Bosch FR5DTC. Other plugs, if gapped improperly, can make strange things happen.
- If you meet the idle fuel pressure, your fueling is most likely fine. Sure it's feasible your fuel pump is failing at high loads but I assume that you're pinging at low engine loading too. So that's probably not it.
- Might want to make sure your spark plug wires go to the right places.
- If you don't have a workshop manual, you should try to get a copy either electronic or paper. There are some good troubleshooting ideas in there. It could be something obscure like the transistors under the driver's seat that run between the ECU and the coils (1995 only), and the workshop manuals address some of that stuff.
- You should locate either a Hammer, a Durametric scanner, or a raycm (homebrew) scanner. Then start monitoring or logging parameters to make sure your ECU is getting signals. Then you can rule out a bunch of stuff, like MAF.
- like Steve said, replace your plugs if they're not Bosch FR5DTC. Other plugs, if gapped improperly, can make strange things happen.
- If you meet the idle fuel pressure, your fueling is most likely fine. Sure it's feasible your fuel pump is failing at high loads but I assume that you're pinging at low engine loading too. So that's probably not it.
- Might want to make sure your spark plug wires go to the right places.
- If you don't have a workshop manual, you should try to get a copy either electronic or paper. There are some good troubleshooting ideas in there. It could be something obscure like the transistors under the driver's seat that run between the ECU and the coils (1995 only), and the workshop manuals address some of that stuff.
- You should locate either a Hammer, a Durametric scanner, or a raycm (homebrew) scanner. Then start monitoring or logging parameters to make sure your ECU is getting signals. Then you can rule out a bunch of stuff, like MAF.