This thread gave me a nervous tick.
09-26-2010, 11:39 AM
#136
Team Owner
Well, back to the OP in the linked thread, I agree the fellow who did the OP has an attitude implying someone is coercing a PPI out of him. That's his initial error. He can wade into the river of for sale 993's, buy ten or twelve and not do a single PPI. Nobody cares if he does.
Then too, to turn it around, isn't it worth a few hundred dollars for a buyer's PPI to find some show stopper in the PPI? If he doesn't think so, then it's his life.
Now a reasonable proposition may be for the buyer and seller to agree that if the car is misrepresented by the seller and that's discovered in the PPI, then the seller reimburse the buyer for the intentional misrepresentation. To be fair to the seller, though, the discovery would have to be of a sort that the seller either obviously knew about or should have known about.
Frex, our 993 was advertised as no damage history. The CarFax was clean. The PPI showed what MAY have been a trivial repair to a door edge (repaint only and only maybe). We didn't ding the seller on this because it may have easily skipped his notice (he's owner #3). However, if we'd discovered definite structural damage repair, we'd have backed out of the sale and demanded restitution from the seller.
Then too, to turn it around, isn't it worth a few hundred dollars for a buyer's PPI to find some show stopper in the PPI? If he doesn't think so, then it's his life.
Now a reasonable proposition may be for the buyer and seller to agree that if the car is misrepresented by the seller and that's discovered in the PPI, then the seller reimburse the buyer for the intentional misrepresentation. To be fair to the seller, though, the discovery would have to be of a sort that the seller either obviously knew about or should have known about.
Frex, our 993 was advertised as no damage history. The CarFax was clean. The PPI showed what MAY have been a trivial repair to a door edge (repaint only and only maybe). We didn't ding the seller on this because it may have easily skipped his notice (he's owner #3). However, if we'd discovered definite structural damage repair, we'd have backed out of the sale and demanded restitution from the seller.
09-26-2010, 12:07 PM
#137
Seared
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09-26-2010, 12:18 PM
#138
Team Owner
I would have explained that this damage could not have been of the type he wasn't aware of and said I think I'm due a refund for the PPI.
Sure he could have refused, but I've personally found that people are embarrassed when caught and will try to make it good.
Sure he could have refused, but I've personally found that people are embarrassed when caught and will try to make it good.
09-26-2010, 12:56 PM
#140
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If a seller informed me that they would pay for the PPI, I would assume that $ cost for the PPI was included in the final sale price. Hence the buyer in fact paid for the PPI anyway....
09-27-2010, 01:43 AM
#141
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09-27-2010, 11:50 AM
#142
if i were to buy another 993, i would feel VERY comfortable purchasing from a r-lister. of course, you still should take responsibility and evaluate the car and +/- PPI. in fact, i would probably rather wait until one of you guys were to sale your beauty and buy it from here...just have more warm and fuzzy feelings from you guys than any car lot...NO matter which lot. i was fortunate to get mine from a local guy i know. is there anyone here who wouldn't look HERE 1st??? I really doubt it...pull the trigger 
09-27-2010, 02:40 PM
#143
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Good point!
Maybe the buyer and seller should go halves on the PPI. The seller showing his intention that he is representing the vehicle's condition accurately and the buyer showing that he is not just kicking tires.
I did not have a PPI performed based on my inspection and drive of the vehicle. Risky? Maybe, but then any repairs I have to do are a mere fraction in cost compared to those who have to rely on a shop.
Maybe the buyer and seller should go halves on the PPI. The seller showing his intention that he is representing the vehicle's condition accurately and the buyer showing that he is not just kicking tires.
I did not have a PPI performed based on my inspection and drive of the vehicle. Risky? Maybe, but then any repairs I have to do are a mere fraction in cost compared to those who have to rely on a shop.
09-27-2010, 10:10 PM
#144
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ok, i see the problem here. Looking for a deal on a low mileage garage queen. These are hardly driven, if its under 50k miles, you will be hitting things like check strap, odo repair, 60k service, possible clutch, SAI on 96-on. I am on my second 993, first one i had for 3 years, spent $5k on maintenance on those above issues, excluding SAI. I just picked up my 94k mile 1995 993, perfect and sorted since previous owner drove it 22k miles in the past year. Oh, and the best part was I picked it up for $22k.
I guess in the end you have to ask yourself what you really want, a garage queen, or a sorted out higher mileage example.
BTW, most 993 owners search 6 months to a year for the right car.
I guess in the end you have to ask yourself what you really want, a garage queen, or a sorted out higher mileage example.
BTW, most 993 owners search 6 months to a year for the right car.
09-27-2010, 11:32 PM
#145
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can't be!
nothing in life is free?
exactly... it's all about negotiating price. End to end.
