Spidey 993

Everyone, Everyone!! IXLR8 just said something that contradicts the norm! Run Alex, Run for your life!

I appreciate you taking the torch from me since I have to go to work. And be sure to know that if you can prove you're not a dick, others will be there to help you along the way.

Sorry, I couldn't resist the irony. Thanks Alex, I will buy a car eventually and will look for your advice.
Love the yellow BTW.

TheOtherEric

But practically no seller ever does this, for a good reason: it's a complete waste of money! Any buyer who's not a complete moron will want another PPI done, at buyer's expense of course. No halfway-intelligent buyer would ever trust the PPI where you paid they money and you chose the shop. Duh.

MANY of us know instances where reputable shops issue perfect PPI's for cars that are POS's. That happens because either the seller handed over the $$$ or the seller had spent a lot of money at that shop. It's not rocket science folks.

I don't know why some of you guys are bothering with this troll.

Bouzoukikid

@ tjff993
Avid tried to give you advice and you p*ssed him off.
You seem to enjoy confrontation.

goofballdeluxe

Brother, if $1K in PPI costs get you bent out of shape (among other small things, it seems), then I would kindly suggest that a 12-15 year old Porsche is not for you.

You seem to be a man of little patience and worried about pinching pennies. Buying and owning an older German sportscar takes a certain mind-set, and it seems you don't occupy that head space.

I suggest a new Toyota. No PPI necessary, and costs are low. Besides, the last thing the world needs in another ill-mannered person driving a Porsche to further enforce the stereotype.

I further suggest you change your name and start over. Methinks you'll not be very welcome by many on here.

Archilla

My .02 worth; maybe useful advice for any newbies that find this thread when trying to get advice on the purchase process. Every buying/selling arrangement is different, and finding the right situation takes time and patience, and requires some amount of a positive relationship between the buyer, the seller, and of course the car. The seller can do whatever he/she wants to make their car more marketable, and doing their own PPI is one idea, although the feedback from many here so far is that as a buyer, they would not trust this information. I tend to agree, however if someone has their own PPI done as a selling tool and finds a buyer for whom this is an advantage, everyone is happy.

It is ultimately the buyer’s responsibility to figure out what kind of information they need to feel comfortable making a choice on a purchase, and to not settle on a car until they have found the right situation for them. A safe way to go when looking seriously at a car is to get an independent PPI, and that is what most people here will recommend. That said, it is not the only way. I bought my car long distance (way longer than 1000 miles; I live in Los Angeles and I found the car in Massachusetts) and I did not (dramatic pause for gasping sounds) have a PPI done. I didn’t need it. I found the car on Rennlist, spent a fair amount of time talking to the owner, he put me in touch with his mechanic who had done all of the maintenance on the car during his ownership, and I talked to the broker that the seller purchased the car from to get more history. Eventually I saw the car in person, during which time it was at the mechanic having the top end rebuilt, so I got to see the car from every angle myself on the lift, and got to see the mechanic himself working on the engine, as well as the other cars in his shop. I got all of the information I needed to make a decision based on my observations of the mechanic, my personal inspection of the car, and other information I gained by talking to the owner and the mechanic over time. It is up to the buyer to be educated on the car they are shopping for and to be able to ask the pertinent questions, and to be able to interpret the information they are getting from the seller. Even if you go the PPI route, you need to know what are the important things to ask to be able to make a sound decision and to understand if the PPI results make sense. Rennlist is a great place to educate yourself before you start shopping for a 993 or any other P-car.

Finding 993s for sale is pretty easy, finding the right one for you is not. I spent almost a year looking before I found the one I bought. In my opinion, the biggest mistakes a buyer can make are to be in a hurry, or to be under-informed on the things to look out for. Even a PPI can’t save you from making a bad decision, it’s only one of many tool available to you as a buyer, regardless of what shop does it. If you don’t get a good feeling from the seller, or you don’t get a good feeling when you see the car in person, it’s the wrong deal, even if it has a PPI done on it.

-Ruben

Academictech

TJ, if you stick around here long enough you'll find the majority of Rennlist and PCA members are trustworthy, reliable, philanthropic and above all else....ladies and gentlemen. I'm on my third 993 and have relied heavily on the knowlege base and word of the members here; it really is much more than an anonymous forum.

There are some great lists here on what to look for when getting a PPI completed, but beware; the PPI will be only as good as the guy doing it.

Some of us put the opinions of fellow 993 Rennlisters and PCA members over that of some unknown wrench performing a PPI.

Rennfax is your friend. If you see anything in New England you like...I'd be happy to take a look for you (see sloancars.com).

Good luck with your search.

cabrio993

This guy obviously seeks attention and likes confrontation...

ltc

tjeff993,

Might I suggest a slight change of scenery?
Perhaps you might want to "visit" the Politics and Controvery subforum in Off Topic?

Just a thought

IXLR8

Its not a matter of that. I am impartial and can see it both ways.

I would not be willing to let anyone do a PPI on my car if I ever decided to sell it, simply because I don't let anyone touch any of my cars or motorcycles while I own them. But I'd be willing to do everything in front of the buyer for them to see. In the process, they would also get to know the car quite well. Based on the cost of one, the PPI can't reveal everything...not even close.

IXLR8

Well they're not reputable shops then and their names should be published...right here.

To clarify, Eric, I don't expect a seller to pay for the PPI if the car was well represented by the seller...and that is the only time I would go forward with a PPI if I chose to do so.

Sellers will tell you their cars are the best. Prove it by putting half the PPI cost up front. If the car is as good as the seller said it was, I'll gladly refund them that amount. It weeds out the dreamers on both sides.

I need a break from polishing the instrument trim rings.

jdistefa

Wow, the gentleman in question pisses off Avid (one helluva nice guy who I've met in person and has a lot of experience with P-cars), and then doesn't have enough facility with grammar to understand GT gears... and then goads him incessantly despite polite explanations (does he even know who GT gears is, what he does?).

I was a newbie here once and benefited greatly from the experience shared by others on this forum - both online and in person. This is an amazingly supportive and generous place. Hate to see those sharing their relevant, helpful, and reasonable opinions getting abused.

For the record, he clearly is a dick. The previous sentence should be clear enough to defy misinterpretation.

Brother-A, can you please close this thread? Perhaps the PPI-Troll will go away.

epj993

I think this thread needs some input from Ray Calvo

Rinty

Over 1500 hits in less than 24 hours, and still going strong...

Oh, and uh, no, I didn't get an independent PPI before my purchase....

Falcondrivr

Am I the only one hoping he doesn't find a 993? He seems more of a 996 kinda guy

boulderbobo

WOW!

I've been out of touch for a few days.....

All I can say is holy crap

As near as I can tell everyone has been trying to help out.....