OEM vs, Lloyd mats
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I have OEM gray mats, bought new a couple of years ago when my removable carpet sections were showing significant wear (the car is a daily driver). To clarify, mats in Porsche-speak are installed over the top of the removable carpet section that has the hole for the vertical stud. The mats are supposed to be held in place with a combo gripper clip and pointed hook. I attached these fasteners at the rear corners of the mat. The gripper works as expected. The hook looks like a drapery hook and attaches to the glued-in carpet. LSS, the hooks don't stay put which means the mats don't either. In addition, the mats seem to stain easily and don't clean up well with foam carpet cleaner. All in all, these mats were a waste of money.
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Mark, thanks!
Just did a search and sawf TruBerber as I've never even heard of that. Interesting, but they don't make it in blue. So it's Ultimats, I guess. Curious which of the two blue colors would be best for Midnight Blue interior.
Just did a search and sawf TruBerber as I've never even heard of that. Interesting, but they don't make it in blue. So it's Ultimats, I guess. Curious which of the two blue colors would be best for Midnight Blue interior.
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LLoyd vs OEM Mats
I have owned several sets of Lloyd and OEM/Porsche mats over the years. In the 1980s and early/mid-90's Lloyd made the floor mats that came as optional equipment on new Porsches. My early '93 RS America and late '95 993 both have original Lloyd mats. In the early 2000's Porsche dealers did not sell Lloyds mats for some reason. (My dates may be a bit off, but I know of these dates based on mats I bought from the dealer.) A few years ago Lloyd was licensed again to sell mats with Porsche lettering.
I have found Lloyd mats to be high quality. They come with a full range of Porsche lettering choices. The colors match the Porsche carpets well. The current 993 mat from Lloyd is held down at the post which retains the factory carpet mat and the mats come with a longer plastic retaining cap to hold them in place. No more straps, no pins with clips, etc. Very clean installation. Lloyd mats are also generously cut so they fit firmly in the footwell area even if laid on top of the factory carpet without using the retaining post and cap.
The lettering does get dirty. I spray the mats with Scotchgard carpet protector to repel water and dirt.
The lowest prices (by far) I have found on Lloyd "Ultimat" mats is Mike's Custom Car Care Products. 800-498-7882. He has thousands of sales on eBay. I ordered over the phone rather via eBay.
For front embroidered 'Porsche' mats, an embroided rear deck mat and a plain trunk mat his price was at least $60-75 less delivered than other competitive Lloyd mat retailers. In my experience, Sunset Porsche was the best price out there, however Mike's is now the lowest I have found.
I have found Lloyd mats to be high quality. They come with a full range of Porsche lettering choices. The colors match the Porsche carpets well. The current 993 mat from Lloyd is held down at the post which retains the factory carpet mat and the mats come with a longer plastic retaining cap to hold them in place. No more straps, no pins with clips, etc. Very clean installation. Lloyd mats are also generously cut so they fit firmly in the footwell area even if laid on top of the factory carpet without using the retaining post and cap.
The lettering does get dirty. I spray the mats with Scotchgard carpet protector to repel water and dirt.
The lowest prices (by far) I have found on Lloyd "Ultimat" mats is Mike's Custom Car Care Products. 800-498-7882. He has thousands of sales on eBay. I ordered over the phone rather via eBay.
For front embroidered 'Porsche' mats, an embroided rear deck mat and a plain trunk mat his price was at least $60-75 less delivered than other competitive Lloyd mat retailers. In my experience, Sunset Porsche was the best price out there, however Mike's is now the lowest I have found.
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I had ONE original mat left in my car when I bought it. It was pretty beat up but the Lloyds I ordered fit perfectly and seem to be of equal quality. I'n not into thread counts or weights but comparing the two side by side showed me no difference or very little difference in quality. I like them very much.
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NC, was the backing about the same on both? My concern is not fit (they both fit fine). It's sliding around after some period of time, which, I think, OEM mats are prone to do and Lloyds are not, being stiffer on the back.
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In my opinion, the backing is very similar. Both have that rubbery back that would seem to prevent the 'sliding around' issue. The original actually held up pretty well. It is just the top carpet side that is really in worn shape.
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Thanks for checking!
That is odd, though. The OEM mat I aw yesterday had soft grey cloth material on the back. Is there more than one type of OEM mat?
That is odd, though. The OEM mat I aw yesterday had soft grey cloth material on the back. Is there more than one type of OEM mat?
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I'm really confused as to why there is so much concern here.
The mats don't move, period. The backing doesn't matter because its held in place with a metal post.
The mats don't move, period. The backing doesn't matter because its held in place with a metal post.
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Actually... no it's not really held by a metal post. The OEM version I'm looking at (a local friend of mine is selling them) is shown here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/5456439-post5.html I also saw the same mats in another 993 on Saturday. No post holes, no straps, no attachments of any sort.
These are Tequipment mats. They are OEM, right?
These are Tequipment mats. They are OEM, right?
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Actually... no it's not really held by a metal post. The OEM version I'm looking at (a local friend of mine is selling them) is shown here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/5456439-post5.html I also saw the same mats in another 993 on Saturday. No post holes, no straps, no attachments of any sort.
These are Tequipment mats. They are OEM, right?
These are Tequipment mats. They are OEM, right?
The Lloyds are the way to go here.
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Actually, this one doesn't even have the strap and hook (I know beause my current black Lloyds do and they are a pretty distinct thing, hard to miss ).
So... it seems like there was at least 2 if not 3 different OEM setups.
So... it seems like there was at least 2 if not 3 different OEM setups.
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FWIW, I just received a set of OEM Tequipment mats for my '87 Carrera. I assume they're basically the same mats as those for the 993, aside from their dimensions. The mats came with a hook to anchor them to the underlying carpet. I haven't bothered to use it yet since the mats aren't moving around, but it is included. The mats fit perfectly as well.
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I have owned several sets of Lloyd and OEM/Porsche mats over the years. In the 1980s and early/mid-90's Lloyd made the floor mats that came as optional equipment on new Porsches. My early '93 RS America and late '95 993 both have original Lloyd mats. In the early 2000's Porsche dealers did not sell Lloyds mats for some reason. (My dates may be a bit off, but I know of these dates based on mats I bought from the dealer.) A few years ago Lloyd was licensed again to sell mats with Porsche lettering.
I have found Lloyd mats to be high quality. They come with a full range of Porsche lettering choices. The colors match the Porsche carpets well. The current 993 mat from Lloyd is held down at the post which retains the factory carpet mat and the mats come with a longer plastic retaining cap to hold them in place. No more straps, no pins with clips, etc. Very clean installation. Lloyd mats are also generously cut so they fit firmly in the footwell area even if laid on top of the factory carpet without using the retaining post and cap.
The lettering does get dirty. I spray the mats with Scotchgard carpet protector to repel water and dirt.
The lowest prices (by far) I have found on Lloyd "Ultimat" mats is Mike's Custom Car Care Products. 800-498-7882. He has thousands of sales on eBay. I ordered over the phone rather via eBay.
For front embroidered 'Porsche' mats, an embroided rear deck mat and a plain trunk mat his price was at least $60-75 less delivered than other competitive Lloyd mat retailers. In my experience, Sunset Porsche was the best price out there, however Mike's is now the lowest I have found.
I have found Lloyd mats to be high quality. They come with a full range of Porsche lettering choices. The colors match the Porsche carpets well. The current 993 mat from Lloyd is held down at the post which retains the factory carpet mat and the mats come with a longer plastic retaining cap to hold them in place. No more straps, no pins with clips, etc. Very clean installation. Lloyd mats are also generously cut so they fit firmly in the footwell area even if laid on top of the factory carpet without using the retaining post and cap.
The lettering does get dirty. I spray the mats with Scotchgard carpet protector to repel water and dirt.
The lowest prices (by far) I have found on Lloyd "Ultimat" mats is Mike's Custom Car Care Products. 800-498-7882. He has thousands of sales on eBay. I ordered over the phone rather via eBay.
For front embroidered 'Porsche' mats, an embroided rear deck mat and a plain trunk mat his price was at least $60-75 less delivered than other competitive Lloyd mat retailers. In my experience, Sunset Porsche was the best price out there, however Mike's is now the lowest I have found.
regarding "lowest price" you may want to check with FD Motorsports. We will match pricing
Also, be sure we are comparing the same material when looking at pricing
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FWIW, I just received a set of OEM Tequipment mats for my '87 Carrera. I assume they're basically the same mats as those for the 993, aside from their dimensions. The mats came with a hook to anchor them to the underlying carpet. I haven't bothered to use it yet since the mats aren't moving around, but it is included. The mats fit perfectly as well.