OT - MBZ E AMG or Audi S4 DD
05-09-2010, 05:34 PM
#31
They're all here!
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w211-e55-amg-e63-amg/
I've just spent 2 hours looking at every post going back a few months regarding the E55's vs E63's. Fascinating reading for my own interest and I'm sure you'll find what you need, here too.
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w211-e55-amg-e63-amg/
I've just spent 2 hours looking at every post going back a few months regarding the E55's vs E63's. Fascinating reading for my own interest and I'm sure you'll find what you need, here too.
An example: http://www.mbworld.org/forums/clk63-...d-gt2-tms.html
05-12-2010, 10:38 PM
#32
Well I will speak up because I just got a 2010 S4. I will agree these cars are not in the same class as the MB's you are considering both from a speed and cost perspective therefore I wont say one is better than the other because its 100% situational. I looked into the C63 but, the 10k+ difference for a new one was too much especially given the fact I have had 5 DD's in as many years, again my situation.
I love the S4, its auto and like one poster said it is much different than the 993 so, it offers a good balance of comfort for daily commuting and a good punch and handling when wanted. It is also surprisingly fast and I personally love the stronic under strong acceleration, good solid shifts while being docile when needed. I will admit, coming from a slush box its not the same but IMO its way better than the BMW SMG. With all this said, its no where near as fast as the MB. I dont think the interior is cheap at all, I think it strong to quite strong, and I love the alcentera seats. i have also had a lot of comments in less than 1 month on how nice it is, I had exactly 0 comments on the interior's of the LS460 and GS460 I had for the last couple years.
at the end of the day you are going to get an awesome car, choose what you like the most and most importantly enjoy!
I love the S4, its auto and like one poster said it is much different than the 993 so, it offers a good balance of comfort for daily commuting and a good punch and handling when wanted. It is also surprisingly fast and I personally love the stronic under strong acceleration, good solid shifts while being docile when needed. I will admit, coming from a slush box its not the same but IMO its way better than the BMW SMG. With all this said, its no where near as fast as the MB. I dont think the interior is cheap at all, I think it strong to quite strong, and I love the alcentera seats. i have also had a lot of comments in less than 1 month on how nice it is, I had exactly 0 comments on the interior's of the LS460 and GS460 I had for the last couple years.
at the end of the day you are going to get an awesome car, choose what you like the most and most importantly enjoy!
05-13-2010, 12:42 AM
#33
Well I will speak up because I just got a 2010 S4. I will agree these cars are not in the same class as the MB's you are considering both from a speed and cost perspective therefore I wont say one is better than the other because its 100% situational. I looked into the C63 but, the 10k+ difference for a new one was too much especially given the fact I have had 5 DD's in as many years, again my situation.
I love the S4, its auto and like one poster said it is much different than the 993 so, it offers a good balance of comfort for daily commuting and a good punch and handling when wanted. It is also surprisingly fast and I personally love the stronic under strong acceleration, good solid shifts while being docile when needed. I will admit, coming from a slush box its not the same but IMO its way better than the BMW SMG. With all this said, its no where near as fast as the MB. I dont think the interior is cheap at all, I think it strong to quite strong, and I love the alcentera seats. i have also had a lot of comments in less than 1 month on how nice it is, I had exactly 0 comments on the interior's of the LS460 and GS460 I had for the last couple years.
at the end of the day you are going to get an awesome car, choose what you like the most and most importantly enjoy!
I love the S4, its auto and like one poster said it is much different than the 993 so, it offers a good balance of comfort for daily commuting and a good punch and handling when wanted. It is also surprisingly fast and I personally love the stronic under strong acceleration, good solid shifts while being docile when needed. I will admit, coming from a slush box its not the same but IMO its way better than the BMW SMG. With all this said, its no where near as fast as the MB. I dont think the interior is cheap at all, I think it strong to quite strong, and I love the alcentera seats. i have also had a lot of comments in less than 1 month on how nice it is, I had exactly 0 comments on the interior's of the LS460 and GS460 I had for the last couple years.
at the end of the day you are going to get an awesome car, choose what you like the most and most importantly enjoy!
I hear the dual clutch S Tronic is pretty nice. More like the BMW DCT. The SMG is gone forever now, thank you BMW.
But I'm curious if you got Drive Select? Any comments? Again, just from what I hear, it allows for the car to feel less AWD and heavy (like the old quattros tended to feel.)
You're right about comparisons and that was my opinion from the beginning.
I'd argue it's more like this:
1) M3, C63 and RS
2) 335i and S4 (no real MB equivalent)
3) M5 and E63 (no real Audi equivalent; maybe S6 but not really)
05-13-2010, 09:45 AM
#34
Congrats on your new S4
I hear the dual clutch S Tronic is pretty nice. More like the BMW DCT. The SMG is gone forever now, thank you BMW.
But I'm curious if you got Drive Select? Any comments? Again, just from what I hear, it allows for the car to feel less AWD and heavy (like the old quattros tended to feel.)
You're right about comparisons and that was my opinion from the beginning.
I'd argue it's more like this:
1) M3, C63 and RS
2) 335i and S4 (no real MB equivalent)
3) M5 and E63 (no real Audi equivalent; maybe S6 but not really)
I hear the dual clutch S Tronic is pretty nice. More like the BMW DCT. The SMG is gone forever now, thank you BMW.
But I'm curious if you got Drive Select? Any comments? Again, just from what I hear, it allows for the car to feel less AWD and heavy (like the old quattros tended to feel.)
You're right about comparisons and that was my opinion from the beginning.
I'd argue it's more like this:
1) M3, C63 and RS
2) 335i and S4 (no real MB equivalent)
3) M5 and E63 (no real Audi equivalent; maybe S6 but not really)
I havent driven that DCT but, i did drive the SMG on an M5 a couple years ago and I was not impressed. Hopefully the DCT is better.
I did get the rear dif but, not the adjustable suspension. It does make it feel much more balanced than other Audi's I have driven. I am still exploring the limits with it but, I have found when its starts to understeer you hit the gas and the back end starts to come around and help the turn. (I am not doing a very good job of describing this..). In short yeah it does feel more like a RWD, its not just a gimick. I also find that the adjustable steering makes it feel less heavy in parking lots etc.. So it decreases the understear (not quite to the degree of a RWD) but, still has AWD grip coming out of corners and with the diff you feel much more confident to put that power down sooner.
I would agree the 335 is a good comparison. Personally I see about 100 3 series everyday and very few S4's, I also like how the S4 looks different than the A4 with out being too agressive and the interior is much different, where the 335 looks pretty much the same as the 328 inside and out (independent of options). I think if audi comes out with a new RS4 it might be able to compete with the new models from M and AMG but, IMO its a little too slow to be a real threat to those guys..
05-13-2010, 11:54 AM
#35
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I agree that this is not an apples to apples comparison and in all honesty I reckon the OP would enjoy all three choice but each for different reasons. Just one more comment defending the S4 interior - I have never had so many complimentary remarks on a car interior and most passengers cannot believe it has done 111,000 miles. Neither can I sometimes. Rock solid.
You have to drive all three choices, one will grab your attention more than the others for some reason. Then do the internet research on 'common' issues for those cars so you are armed for any viewing/test drive/negotiations.
You have to drive all three choices, one will grab your attention more than the others for some reason. Then do the internet research on 'common' issues for those cars so you are armed for any viewing/test drive/negotiations.
05-13-2010, 11:59 AM
#36
Three Wheelin'
05-13-2010, 01:22 PM
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05-13-2010, 02:06 PM
#38
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Hi - I have had an E55 (2004) for the past 4 years - as a daily driver I guess you call it, but I drive all my cars (see my signature) most of the time. Exception is the dead of winter with snow on the ground etc. I put snow tires on the E55 (and the 97 993) in late November and remove them in late March. The 55 is modified with Kleeman parts (headers, ECU, pulley, LSD and larger throttle body) and put out about 600 hp/590 ft-lbs. It is a blast to drive, very comfortable, has never let me down, gets 22 MPG on the highway at 70 mph, has all the goodies one could want and I absolutely love the car. I have many choices when I go for a long distance drive and I usually choose the 55. I have not driven the Audi - just have never been attracted to them.
So, bottom line I like the 55 a lot, I love driving my Porsche's too - nice weather around town - I use the cab's - bad weather, in DC - I use the 55. Just my 2 cents. Mostly I just love cars.
So, bottom line I like the 55 a lot, I love driving my Porsche's too - nice weather around town - I use the cab's - bad weather, in DC - I use the 55. Just my 2 cents. Mostly I just love cars.
05-13-2010, 02:14 PM
#39
I hope my opinion, which is all it is, didn't offend.
As I said, I love the 6.3 mill, but I've always thought that the E series was a too "old man" looking. Nothing old man about the performance, though.
And I agree with you here. Put that 6.3 in a sexy body like the CLS63 or a CL63, and I think you've got a great performing, and great looking, ride.
05-13-2010, 02:41 PM
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Hi - I have had an E55 (2004) for the past 4 years - as a daily driver I guess you call it, but I drive all my cars (see my signature) most of the time. Exception is the dead of winter with snow on the ground etc. I put snow tires on the E55 (and the 97 993) in late November and remove them in late March. The 55 is modified with Kleeman parts (headers, ECU, pulley, LSD and larger throttle body) and put out about 600 hp/590 ft-lbs. It is a blast to drive, very comfortable, has never let me down, gets 22 MPG on the highway at 70 mph, has all the goodies one could want and I absolutely love the car. I have many choices when I go for a long distance drive and I usually choose the 55. I have not driven the Audi - just have never been attracted to them.
So, bottom line I like the 55 a lot, I love driving my Porsche's too - nice weather around town - I use the cab's - bad weather, in DC - I use the 55. Just my 2 cents. Mostly I just love cars.
So, bottom line I like the 55 a lot, I love driving my Porsche's too - nice weather around town - I use the cab's - bad weather, in DC - I use the 55. Just my 2 cents. Mostly I just love cars.
Hey Ralph, that's pretty good mileage for a W211. I would of thought you got less especially with the mods.
05-13-2010, 02:43 PM
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05-13-2010, 03:24 PM
#44
Three Wheelin'
05-13-2010, 05:53 PM
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