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My 930 is around 510hp and it took me one miraculous save for me to realize that this is not for playing. High power turbo with no driver's aid and RWD with the unequal distribution of weight is a recipe for disaster. You don't need a wet road, a little mist on cold tires would suffice.

 

The fact is, neither you nor anyone else here actually knows what happened and there are too many variables to even try to discern what may have happened...twitchy, peaky, high HP turbo, wet roads and a suspension setup that required testing. To assert statements about a foreign situation and people based on little more than single-frame assumptions is judgmental, plain asinine and yes, insensitive given that two people lost their lives in the process.

 

sad, true but it's impossible to blame the car regardless of any percieved issues with the 996. Even if the suspension fell out of the car, the speed was the killer and that took driver input = not the car.

 

perceived, apologies.

 

RIP, awful to see this.

"Testing" a suspension component that aggressively on the street seems like a flawed concept.

 

Agree completely. But it is 99% likely that the driver exceeded the limits of the car and this is what caused the crash, rather than some external factor like oil in the road, unintended acceleration due to a defective gas pedal, etc.

It's not necessary IMO to draw a definitive conclusion regarding the cause of this crash to reflect and comment of the tragic error of exceeding the either the driver's or the car's limitations. Most people on this board -- myself included -- have at one time or another driven too fast or made too abrupt a control input for conditions and gotten away with it, so these types of stories are a good reminder of what can happen if one either doesn't know what those limitations are, or does know and fails to stay within a reasonable envelope.

 

Completely agree that this is a good reminder for all of us. We all like to play, we just have to be smart about when, where and how far to go.

As for the cause, I was on the passenger seat of my '91 318is (~150HP?) when my brother hit an oil patch mid-turn on a curving road. He was driving responsibly at or below the speed limit but it was misty. He lost control of the car and wrapped it around a light post. I'm sure anyone who drove by could have assumed it was a couple of kids being idiots. Things are not always as they seem at first glance and it seems prudent to reserve judgment, especially when loved ones are grieving a loss. If nothing more, simply out of respect for them.

 

Well put. Ultimately all that matters here is that two people lost their lives. It's terrible and if they were in error they've already paid the ultimate price. As fellow enthusiasts perhaps we should allow some respect.

 

One thing for sure, even seats, harnesses, and a roll bar wasn't enough to save these Guys from such a brutal impact. Very sad.

The street is an unpredictable place with unpredictable drivers.

 

I would imagine that unless the victim's families are religious Rennlisters, the idle musings and speculations of Rennlist readers/posters are to be expected and do no harm to any of those directly or indirectly involved in this unfortunate crash. This IS an internet bulletin board, after all; these forums were created expressly with the idea of sharing ideas and thoughts of differing views. So, I disagree with any notion that one shouldn't, out of respect for the family, make guesses as to what happened in this accident.

The fact of the matter is, that for every errant oil patch that causes a freak collision with a responsible driver at the wheel travelling at a normal and otherwise "safe" speed, there are hundreds if not thousands of accidents that occur because those drivers were, as my Dad would say, "young, dumb and full of come". Also known as one's reach exceeding one's grasp.

Of course, we don't know the cause of this accident. But I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that human ego and folly were contributing factors.

 

It takes one guy to test drive - TWO to joy ride.

Sad result - for both families.

The car was a rocketship (i know the previous owner) and we will not ever know what happened - except that 2 guys didn't go home to their families that day.....

Even with responsible driving - a car doing 80 then crossing the medium and getting hit by a 45 ton truck doing 80 is NEVER going to be anything other than a tragedy.

My thoughts go out to the families.

Simon.

 

Sad story. I owned a 6GT2 for less than a year. The car scared me but then again, I don't have the skill level of most commenting here.

 

About GT2 I have one and one of my first expirience with was a spin on a highway, before this car I have had many RWD Porsche´s but not anything like this, I have read all the warnings on that day it was heavy raining and I was crusing in 100-110 km/h throtle in steady pos. steering also straight but rain and water at the road, earlier I had notice some don´t now english word but it was a feeling of " lugging " from one of the rearwheels now and then and typical shaking rear end, suddenly with no warning the rear end sling out to the right and the car spun around 3 or 4 times on the high before it come to rest no chrash with others, I thought this could not be right and it must be a fail on the ABS or the differential no warning light for ABS is on, this happend yesterday so we have to investigate. I have done nothing which can result in this I think, in Norway the roads are terrible with and not flat.

Regards Lexn

 

That's called a brown trousers moment. Glad you're ok.

 

Speaking of said car....

http://bridgetogantry.com/2/index.ph...h-at-flugplatz