jungleboy

Think about it all the time , I made the mistake of driving one. It would have to be a 997 gt3 though and I would have to be able to hold on to my 993. So until that happens, I'll just keep tweaking my 993 and drive it to it's limit.

RS man

I don't . If you must ask, I vote 997 GT3 (RS preferably). 996 too ugly

Ocean Blue C2S

We're all just dreaming, right? If you ever get a ride or drive the GT3 you will never forget it, what a fantastic automobile! My friend Bill came by with his GT3, I passed on driving it, "just take me for a drive", I said, and he gave me a ride for a lifetime.

Happy with my "humble" 993.

Bert

jaholmes

I look off and on as well. It's a tough decision because I would want it as a track car. However I am drawn more towards a 964 C2 or an early 996 C2 - roughly the same price. Karl's 996 PCA is a very interesting build and top notch track prep.

A 964 Euro cup is the same price as a 6-GT3 now...

Maybe I will just add JRZ's to my 993 C4S and call it a day.

timothymoffat

Me too.

Funny thing is, I really like the 996GT3 and it's purity. ABS is the only intervention in the driving experience. It's very fast, has that 8K+ redline, and to me looks great. I think long term it may be a sought after car. Look how many have been turned into track ****** (nothing wrong with that, they seem to love it!) and the low numbers in North America and there won't be one on every street corner.

I'd love one.

autobonrun

I love the color of this RS and the first minute or so of the video. Oh that engine sound.

Click "HD" and the full screen option.

http://993c4s.com/category/cars/911-gt2gt3gt3-rs/

Falcondrivr

Reeves Porsche, here in Tampa has one in inventory right now. I stopped by for crush washers, and the sales guy who recognizes me says: "Hey! Come look at this!"
It is really nice. Guards red. He said "about $60k..."
I'd love it as a track only toy.

911

I also have a C4S and I have thought about this move several times. The 2004-05 GT3 would be the only car I would trade my 993 for.

Brian_77_3.6

I can pick off and get around GT3's on street tires with less experienced drivers in my 993 but I have suspension and r compound tires working for me. I drove an '04' GT3 at Watkins Glen and out of respect for the owner and my wallet I did not push it. Even driven conservatively I had no problem matching my lap times in my 993. Once you get that taste you will want one. I am sure the difference is a good 5 seconds at the Glen.

race911

Mooty and I have run complementary ~2:01's at Thunderhill on the full track with equal RA1's. Him in his 997 GT3RS, me in the yellow car. No stockish 996 GT3 has ever been on the same planet when running the yellow car. Not to say it's not possible, just that I've not encountered anyone. Anyone from around here who has gone sub 2:00 with one, please let me know because I do think it's a very attainable goal. (Or ~1:45 at Sears, or ~1:38 at Laguna. Chris Cervelli ran sub 1:40 at Laguna several years ago with a then-C class 993.)

If we're going to wander all over the map, RSA #1, the stock class club racer was good for ~2:03 on Hoosiers, ~2:05 on Kumho's. The C4S on burned out old Hoosiers and PSS9 (but nothing else except track pads) comes in about 2:07. RSA #2 on toasted RA1's still managed a ~2:09 on that track day a couple of weeks ago where we started out the morning with a nearly flooded track.

Bottom line is that yeah a decent 996 GT3 is a couple of ticks quicker at nearly every track. But unless you're running data, or are competing, all you're getting is a bit more grunt on acceleration.

Also, note Van Overbeck's Excellence articles both at Thunderhill and the new issue at Sears to bring the 997 variants into the discussion.

Matt Lane

Hi Ken,

By no means an expert, but a "few ticks" is about it? I am shocked that equallly prepped 993 vs. 996 GT3 would not be MANY seconds apart. 100HP and a more modern (excellent) suspension is a big delta.

Or did I misread your post?

Best,

Matt

Matt Lane

No need to reply, I just read your signature line and clearly the yellow car is not a stock 993...

Cheers~!

Matt

race911

Right. The yellow car is about as developed as it gets (thanks again to Kim or paying and Steve for doing!). But it still comes down to driving. And I find that even when running around with the C4S or RSA #2 that I'm quicker than nearly every GT3 that shows up at a track day (996 or 997 variety). I know I'm not alone......... Further, that's just the ones who are running in the open or advanced group. Why? Most owners could just as well be in a decent Miata for the amount they're pushing the car. Check that, the average warmed-over Miata CAN "outhandle" nearly any 911. So absent the thrill of acceleration, I always come back to "what's the point"?

Make no mistake that I'm NOT criticizing an owner for not running a VERY fast car beyond his/her capabilities. Recipe for disaster there. More that we have many, many, many more cars showing up which are past their owner's limits than drivers that are past their car's limits. Right?

Mark in Baltimore

I think the 996 GT3 is more than a couple of ticks faster than a stock 993. PCA has the 996 GT3 classified as an I car with 381hp and 3192lbs, meaning that the power-to-weight ratio is 8.52lb/hp. A G stock '95 993 has 270hp, 3170lbs and a power-to-weight ratio of 11.74lb/hp. Assuming that the Yellow Zonker has 300hp and weighs 2700lbs, that's a PWR of 9lb/hp. A 996 GT3 "not being on the same planet" only means that the other drivers are not as fast as you. Similarly, if your 993 C4S is fairly stock, then the only reason you're running with 6 GT3's is because the other drivers are slow, not that the C4S is better.

Of course, Kim erased all of his posts, so there is no longer any archival information.

Matt Lane

We're 100% in agreement. That's why I liked learning on my prior 924S. The 993, to me, is a perfect mix of "reasonable" power, braking, handling. I am not even close to what the car can do, and probably will never get there. But I'm sure having fun leaning!

Matt