Gemballa body kit on a 993 C2S-opinions
02-07-2018, 03:24 PM
#31
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Thanks for the comments gents... esp the 'No'... :-). Here's my plan - drive to PA, jack up the rear end and closely inspect the installation of the side skirts... who knows, possibly they cut off the ducts to fit the rockers (wouldn't that be nice)... or if they were 'professionally' installed and are actually functional for brake cooling then I could live with that. On the other hand of they are chop shopped then I will take my deposit and walk away - no harm no foul. All I want from this car is enjoyment and to not lose my investment down the road... its not a show car or a trailer queen... its a driver and would drive it and enjoy it. Some day it might be used for track events if I get the mojo to do that... mileage is a bit high - 76k but lots of recent service and no reported issues - I will do a valve wear test during test drive... anything else to look out for?
02-07-2018, 03:38 PM
#32
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Thanks for the comments gents... esp the 'No'... :-). Here's my plan - drive to PA, jack up the rear end and closely inspect the installation of the side skirts... who knows, possibly they cut off the ducts to fit the rockers (wouldn't that be nice)... or if they were 'professionally' installed and are actually functional for brake cooling then I could live with that. On the other hand of they are chop shopped then I will take my deposit and walk away - no harm no foul. All I want from this car is enjoyment and to not lose my investment down the road... its not a show car or a trailer queen... its a driver and would drive it and enjoy it. Some day it might be used for track events if I get the mojo to do that... mileage is a bit high - 76k but lots of recent service and no reported issues - I will do a valve wear test during test drive... anything else to look out for?
02-07-2018, 03:59 PM
#33
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Thanks for the advice all... extremely helpful. The test I am referring to is from a Tech article about what to look for in used 993's... text below. The simple valve wear (drive) test is described below (2nd paragraph)... rudimentary I agree...
ENGINE
Secondary air injection (SAI) fault codes. This problem occurs when the SAI port becomes clogged with carbon, and the OBD II signals a fault code. While this may not affect the drivability of the car, it won’t pass smog until the fault is corrected. In about 50 percent of the cases this may require a top end rebuild. The 1995 model has OBD I, which is less sensitive to this problem. A recent thread on Rennlist discussed the purchase of a 993 from a dealer. The car subsequently failed smog, and was found to have the clogged SAI ports and a bad “check engine” light bulb—coincidence?—I think not. The “check engine” light should come on when the key is turned on prior to starting, along with all the other warning lights.
Valve guide wear. Indicators are excessive oil consumption, which Porsche defines as more than one quart per 600 miles, and oil-fouled spark plugs. The correction for this problem is a valve job, using better valve guides. Some valve guides available in the US may be superior to the ones used by the factory. One way to test for valve guide wear is to accelerate to about 6000 RPM in third gear, release the throttle, let the car coast down to about 2000 RPM, then floor the throttle. If there is significant valve guide wear, you will see lots of blue smoke from the exhaust.
ENGINE
Secondary air injection (SAI) fault codes. This problem occurs when the SAI port becomes clogged with carbon, and the OBD II signals a fault code. While this may not affect the drivability of the car, it won’t pass smog until the fault is corrected. In about 50 percent of the cases this may require a top end rebuild. The 1995 model has OBD I, which is less sensitive to this problem. A recent thread on Rennlist discussed the purchase of a 993 from a dealer. The car subsequently failed smog, and was found to have the clogged SAI ports and a bad “check engine” light bulb—coincidence?—I think not. The “check engine” light should come on when the key is turned on prior to starting, along with all the other warning lights.
Valve guide wear. Indicators are excessive oil consumption, which Porsche defines as more than one quart per 600 miles, and oil-fouled spark plugs. The correction for this problem is a valve job, using better valve guides. Some valve guides available in the US may be superior to the ones used by the factory. One way to test for valve guide wear is to accelerate to about 6000 RPM in third gear, release the throttle, let the car coast down to about 2000 RPM, then floor the throttle. If there is significant valve guide wear, you will see lots of blue smoke from the exhaust.
02-07-2018, 04:05 PM
#34
Banned
76k is break in on these cars unless it were a race car?
Thats why PPI, As said above, the Leekdown Test is the Best Test to know motor condition.
Get the Service History. Check for Fails in the History.
I do not recall which Carfax maybe? showed Emission History.
Independant Porsche 993 Specialist to look over the car would be ideal.
If your seller will allow it, there is a Valve Guide Wear measurement / Test that can be done, will cost $ but cheap for piece of mind.
Ask for records with receipts. Histoiry of Oil changes. So how often do u change? Who does the work? Receipts if an independant.
Ask if seller if he familiar with these products: Next ask if he or she uses Techron or BG44K or Liqui Moly before changing the oil?
Personally if the mods can be removed without them being missed, or noticably missing afterward, no after marks etc then the mods become a matter of tastes and preferrence.
Good Luck
TJ
Thats why PPI, As said above, the Leekdown Test is the Best Test to know motor condition.
Get the Service History. Check for Fails in the History.
I do not recall which Carfax maybe? showed Emission History.
Independant Porsche 993 Specialist to look over the car would be ideal.
If your seller will allow it, there is a Valve Guide Wear measurement / Test that can be done, will cost $ but cheap for piece of mind.
Ask for records with receipts. Histoiry of Oil changes. So how often do u change? Who does the work? Receipts if an independant.
Ask if seller if he familiar with these products: Next ask if he or she uses Techron or BG44K or Liqui Moly before changing the oil?
Personally if the mods can be removed without them being missed, or noticably missing afterward, no after marks etc then the mods become a matter of tastes and preferrence.
Good Luck
TJ
Last edited by TJ993; 02-07-2018 at 04:32 PM. Reason: Valve Test
02-07-2018, 04:26 PM
#35
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ha! Hate when that happens.
So to the prospective buyer - what is the asking price on this 95?
i know i maybe an outlier but buying a car this old i can live with mods that were done correctly if the bring me satisfaction. Or not to put mods on that you think are right because of concerns on resale seems like missing the point. The hopes for appreciation are minimal with most of our cars with higher miles. If it happens great but if it makes you happy thats more important.
So to the prospective buyer - what is the asking price on this 95?
i know i maybe an outlier but buying a car this old i can live with mods that were done correctly if the bring me satisfaction. Or not to put mods on that you think are right because of concerns on resale seems like missing the point. The hopes for appreciation are minimal with most of our cars with higher miles. If it happens great but if it makes you happy thats more important.
02-07-2018, 06:20 PM
#38
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Although that kit doesn't look as terrible as many other Gemballa offerings, I think the market is limited for a car like that, meaning resale value will be hurt if and when you have to sell it. If you love it, go for it, but there is simply no way I would ever consider a car that has been cut up like that one.
factor this knowledge into your potential buying price.
I think it reduces value 20% minimum
02-07-2018, 08:11 PM
#39
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04-02-2018, 06:44 PM
#41
Racer
I had those rockers on mine when I bought it. The salesman told me I could just take them off. It turned out, they were epoxied to the body, and yes, a gash was cut in the sheet metal to accommodate the scoop. I ended up buying a pair of turbo rear quarter panels from LA Dismantlers and had a piece cut out to be welded into the gash on each side. Sound expensive? It was. Today you can't tell they were ever there, but I sure wouldn't do it again. If you buy it, make sure you like the Gemballa rockers and want to keep them.
