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Old 11-09-2009, 07:41 PM
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I am slowly gathering my parts for my winter engine build, and am looking for a wiring harness. I figured I would build the engine up as complete as possible, and then would have the option of selling the old engine as complete if someone were interested. Is 993.607.016.15 the correct part number, and any suggestions on source and cost. Thanks for the help. Got my heads with RS intake valves back from Steve, and they are beautiful.

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Old 11-09-2009, 07:56 PM
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Hi Emerald,

Thats the correct harness for the Varioram cars,.....

These run $879, but Sunset Porsche will get you a deal on those.
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I'm curious why you'd be replacing the engine harness - but that's not the point here...

For informational purposes, there was a TSB by Porsche and it reads:

911 (993)
1a/02 9752

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This bulletin replaces bulletin, Group 9, # 2/01, Dated 10-18-02.

01/23/03

W301-Replacement of Engine Wiring Harness

Vehicle Type:
911 Carrera (993)/911 Carrera 4 (993)

Model Year:
MY 1995 (S) and MY 1996 (T)

Concern:
Engine wiring harness - This bulletin replaces bulletin, Group 9, # 2 /01, Dated 10-18-02.

Information:
Porsche is requesting that the engine wiring harness be checked and/or replaced on a certain range of model year 1995 and 1996 911 Carrera (993) and 911 Carrera 4 (993) vehicles.

Based on field information and internal testing, Porsche AG has concluded that the insulation of the wires of the wiring harness may deteriorate. The deterioration of multiple wires may result in shorts which affect the proper function of the engine. Rough engine running, stalling, inability to start the engine due to a dead battery, starter malfunction, and illumination of the Malfunction Indicator Light ("Check Engine" warning lamp) are symptoms for this problem.

The engine wiring harness part number must be checked on all affected vehicles. Depending on what you find when you inspect the vehicle, the wiring harness may then also need to be replaced.

Affected Vehicles:
A total of 10,300 U.S. and 455 Canadian vehicles fall within the scope of this Service Action.

Very Important! Not every vehicle in the below listed range may be affected. Use the ranges below as a general guideline. Alternatively, the VIN can be checked in the Porsche E-DCS/WWS for confirmation of an open service action (or recall campaign). Also, the VIN can be checked via the VRU (Voice Response System) for any open listing.




The affected Vehicle Identification Numbers are contained in the VIN-Ranges shown.
(see VIN Numbers.jpg)

Customer Notification

Porsche Cars North America, Inc. will notify all known Vehicle Owners directly by First Class Mail during the week of October 21, 2002, as per the Notification Card located in Attachment "A"

Work Procedure: See Attachment "B".

Administrative Procedure: See Attachment "C"

Customer Reimbursement Procedure: See Attachment "D"




Parts Required


(see Part Numbers.jpg)



Now, you may wish to order the parts as per the TSB outline if you want to get some of the other harnesses/connectors.

You don't specify what the MY of your car is, but the part number you list is good for 1996 MY or later non-turbo.
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Thanks Steve, as mentioned earlier, the heads are beautiful. You do great work.

Enrico, thanks. I am not actually replacing the harness, I am missing one. I bought an engine to rebuild, and it did not come with a harness. I could probably use the one in the car I am driving, but since it is a 95, and I am building a later model V-ram engine, I figured go with a new harness, and leave the 95 intact.

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Cool - nice project.
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Has your current harness been replaced under the recall? If not, it might not be of much value to a buyer of your old engine. If so, it has all the connections for the vram; you can us it as is.
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Hey Bruce,

my harness had been replaced as part of the recall, so it is good. I thought about using it, but figured I might go with a new one, and leave the 95 engine as intact as possible. I have found a new harness for about $200, so I will probably go that route. I will probably be replacing the ECU also as the one I have is the early model, and from what I have read, will not work with V-ram. Jmarch wrote a good series on the vram transplant, and noted the earliest ECU (993 618 123.02)
would not work with a vram, and alas, that is what is in my car. I figure I can sell my 95 complete with harness and ecu to someone looking to transplant into a 3.2

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"...transplant into a 3.2."

Indeed! Or longhood.
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YOU ASK FOR PART NUMBER 000.043.204.61
the cost is $80ish
you will get a 20 x 20 carton box, YOU DO NOT OPEN IT ON THE COUNTER IF AT PORSCHE
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inside is brand new wiring harness 993.607.016.15, ROW and US final version
it is in the TSB I posted on pcarworkshop, as in post above.
if you mention 993.607.016.15, it is $900ish
if you ask for 000.043.204.61, it is $80 ish
if the clerk at dealer sees the harness in the 000.043.204.61 box, he will start to sell them on bay for $199
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Originally Posted by geolab View Post
YOU ASK FOR PART NUMBER 000.043.204.61
the cost is $80ish
you will get a 20 x 20 carton box, YOU DO NOT OPEN IT ON THE COUNTER IF AT PORSCHE
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inside is brand new wiring harness 993.607.016.15, ROW and US final version
it is in the TSB I posted on pcarworkshop, as in post above.
if you mention 993.607.016.15, it is $900ish
if you ask for 000.043.204.61, it is $80 ish
if the clerk at dealer sees the harness in the 000.043.204.61 box, he will start to sell them on bay for $199
Hmm.


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Originally Posted by geolab View Post
YOU ASK FOR PART NUMBER 000.043.204.61
the cost is $80ish
you will get a 20 x 20 carton box, YOU DO NOT OPEN IT ON THE COUNTER IF AT PORSCHE
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inside is brand new wiring harness 993.607.016.15, ROW and US final version
it is in the TSB I posted on pcarworkshop, as in post above.
if you mention 993.607.016.15, it is $900ish
if you ask for 000.043.204.61, it is $80 ish
if the clerk at dealer sees the harness in the 000.043.204.61 box, he will start to sell them on bay for $199
Interesting ... I wonder if this guy is working the system ...
Porsche 911 993 3.6 Engine Wire Wiring Harness NEW! US $239.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...Q5fAccessories

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I think he might be, as I bought a harness from him. It turns out he had two, and the price seemed good. Since Geolab mentioned it, I called the local dealer and asked about part number 000.043.204.61. They said they could order it for 117.62 Fact is stranger than fiction. Why two different numbers, and such a difference in price. I am tempted to get one and sell it on ebay.

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Originally Posted by e3photo View Post
Why two different numbers, and such a difference in price.
I think because the part number is for the public and the repair kit number is only designated for the dealers through TSB's

000.043.204.61 is not listed in the PET system at the dealer, unless the number is searched for, direct in the search function. Then in the PET, there is no correlation between this number and the 993, less any porsche model. So the person at the dealer does not know what the repair kit is for which car, and what it is destined for.
I took two for both engines as spare. the number shows "repair kit" in the PET, that's all

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Hmm.
I knew you would chime in, thnx
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Originally Posted by geolab View Post
I knew you would chime in, thnx
Well, I can confirm that the information you posted is correct.

I may just acquire one and mothball it for the future....


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Very good and accurate info, now all I need is a tip on a cheap ECU upgrade, as I have the earliest model, and don't believe it will work with V-ram

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