Anyone go from S02 or PS2 to HTR Z IIIs and regret it?
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My Sumi's are somewhere in route right now. I currently have B'stone S02A's. Replacement cost of rears only was $750 before shipping.
The cost of all 4 Sumi's was only $640 including shipping.
Bridgestone can take a flying leap. I'll stick the two front Bridgestone's in storage until there is a sale on the rears. At some point they'll be discontinued and I'll pick up matching rears for substantially less.
The cost of all 4 Sumi's was only $640 including shipping.
Bridgestone can take a flying leap. I'll stick the two front Bridgestone's in storage until there is a sale on the rears. At some point they'll be discontinued and I'll pick up matching rears for substantially less.
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I have yet to hear anyone on this list mention the BF Goodrich tires. My '97 C2 is lowered to RS spec with H&Rs and the BF Goodrich tires stick like glue and are not noisey.
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They dont look as badass as the BFGs though
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I am surprised at all of you who are happy with the Sumis. They're good "for the money"? Why are you driving a 911 if saving a few bucks is more important than road feel and performance? Tires are the single most important part of the chassis!!
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
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I am surprised at all of you who are happy with the Sumis. They're good "for the money"? Why are you driving a 911 if saving a few bucks is more important than road feel and performance? Tires are the single most important part of the chassis!!
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
I recommend the IIIs as value and decent street tires, but I would not recommend the IIs even for just street and definitely not for the track.
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I am surprised at all of you who are happy with the Sumis. They're good "for the money"? Why are you driving a 911 if saving a few bucks is more important than road feel and performance? Tires are the single most important part of the chassis!!
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
It's dangerous to assume that more $$$, significantly more in the PS2/HTRZIII debate, equals more performance. If track driving comes into the equation then maybe the more expensive tire is better. I wouldn't know as I don't track my 993s. In street driving there is very little, if any, in it. I won't "cheap out" on parts for my 993s but I also won't pay through the nose for a name.
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I am surprised at all of you who are happy with the Sumis. They're good "for the money"? Why are you driving a 911 if saving a few bucks is more important than road feel and performance? Tires are the single most important part of the chassis!!
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
As far as "saving a few bucks" I guess it depends on perspective...I paid $640 out the door installed for a full set of Sumi III's...that would have been $1200+ for PS2's...so, $500-600 to me is more than a few bucks so it's a nice option to have. And, respectfully, if you read the track tests on the Sumi vs. some other very good tires that have historically been comprable or better than PS2's...and have actually beat several of them head-to-head. I wouldn't knock'em until you've tried them
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I am surprised at all of you who are happy with the Sumis. They're good "for the money"? Why are you driving a 911 if saving a few bucks is more important than road feel and performance? Tires are the single most important part of the chassis!!
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
I tried the Sumi HTR IIs a while back on my 993 because I was curious - suffice it so say the road feel and handling were so terrible that I promptly swapped them out for Michelins. Absolutely terrible tires. I can't imagine they've improved to the level of PS2s since.
A) A lot of that is freeway/highway and I find a tire with less turn in is more comfortable on freeways with groves.
2) I love my car , but I don't have time or energy to have my rear tires changed every six months.
III) Close to a grand a year is more than a "few bucks" when considering the performance difference.
e) I dont think the HTRIIs were bad tires, and the HTRIIIS are better. I have had Yokohamas, Sumis IIs and IIIs and Pot 02s on the car for comparison.
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Saving a few bucks is important, but also there is very little perfomance to be gained per dollar over the HTRIIIs. I put 15-16k a year on my 993 and:
A) A lot of that is freeway/highway and I find a tire with less turn in is more comfortable on freeways with groves.
2) I love my car , but I don't have time or energy to have my rear tires changed every six months.
III) Close to a grand a year is more than a "few bucks" when considering the performance difference.
e) I dont think the HTRIIs were bad tires, and the HTRIIIS are better. I have had Yokohamas, Sumis IIs and IIIs and Pot 02s on the car for comparison.
A) A lot of that is freeway/highway and I find a tire with less turn in is more comfortable on freeways with groves.
2) I love my car , but I don't have time or energy to have my rear tires changed every six months.
III) Close to a grand a year is more than a "few bucks" when considering the performance difference.
e) I dont think the HTRIIs were bad tires, and the HTRIIIS are better. I have had Yokohamas, Sumis IIs and IIIs and Pot 02s on the car for comparison.
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I don't have experience with the IIIs. The IIs, however, were so horrendously bad I couldn't believe it. My 993 handled like a Yugo. Anyone who can't tell the difference between the Sumi II and PS2s doesn't need a Porsche, they need to find a doctor to reattach their nerves to their spine. I would venture to say that tires made entirely of used chewing gum would give better road feel and turn-in than the Sumi HTRZ IIs. I believe you when you say the IIIs are much better, because they couldn't be any worse.
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I've got about 5k miles on my III's and couldn't be happier, the great price is just a bonus. I'm not a track or autocross guy, so maybe that is where a higher price tire would make sense. They track well and have a great feel when carving up rural country roads. They are also great on the highway without too much noise. The lack of wear is amazing despite agressive use of the go pedal (they are so cheap, I don't worry about using up the rears). Unless you are on the track or just driving crazy, I think it would be hard to get less than 10k miles out of the rears.