Fishy story? Should I follow up or pass
#31
May I ask why you'd bother with this car? Unless it's the deal of the century (If it sounds too good to be true.......) I'd move on to a less storied car. Could be a hard sell in the future as well. Only the second 993 I've seen with cloth seats. I guess one plus would be the ROW transmission if it's a 95. LOTS of cars out there right now at prices that seemed crazy less than a year ago. Seems like too much trouble to me.
No cudos for the fact it came from the motherland.... I for one love it. If I had my choice ever car I own would be Euro...
#34
Where is all this coming from... You guys have personal experience about these issues...
this car has already been imported, it has a legal title, they will not ask for the EPA paperwork...It is also OBD 1, with is way easier to pass emisions...
I could see a problem if the car did not pass and you ran into a crazy EPA guy... DMV has nothing to do with EPA....
If it in the county,with a title you are home free....It is a US car know... nobody cares anymore...There are no DEQ/ DOT/ EPA police waiting for you around the corner...
Most of our cars won't pass EPA anyways... I have very few at least..
this car has already been imported, it has a legal title, they will not ask for the EPA paperwork...It is also OBD 1, with is way easier to pass emisions...
I could see a problem if the car did not pass and you ran into a crazy EPA guy... DMV has nothing to do with EPA....
If it in the county,with a title you are home free....It is a US car know... nobody cares anymore...There are no DEQ/ DOT/ EPA police waiting for you around the corner...
Most of our cars won't pass EPA anyways... I have very few at least..
#35
FWIW, importing a grey market vehicle into the U.S. is a very expensive and labor-intensive thing. I cannot imagine a seller or buyer of this vehicle to NOT transfer copies of the DOT and EPA release papers to the new owner. Yes, it would be extremely rare to run into problems but, since this particular car was supposedly brought in only 5 years ago, that would be easier to trace than one brought in during the grey market hey-days of the mid'80's. I'm just saying if it's worth buying, it's worth investigating and having the papers in hand rather than running the risk of it being confiscated.
#36
FWIW, importing a grey market vehicle into the U.S. is a very expensive and labor-intensive thing. I cannot imagine a seller or buyer of this vehicle to NOT transfer copies of the DOT and EPA release papers to the new owner. Yes, it would be extremely rare to run into problems but, since this particular car was supposedly brought in only 5 years ago, that would be easier to trace than one brought in during the grey market hey-days of the mid'80's. I'm just saying if it's worth buying, it's worth investigating and having the papers in hand rather than running the risk of it being confiscated.
They don't confiscate cars.... You must have read too many 959 articles.
A 95 C2 was imported to the US... Therefore it is legal.....The conversion is very easy, a few stickers, dash lights, bumpers...
Someone buy this car. I think it is worth 10% more with the Euro roots....
#38
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Confiscated..... Where do you guys come up with this stuff...
They don't confiscate cars.... You must have read too many 959 articles.
A 95 C2 was imported to the US... Therefore it is legal.....The conversion is very easy, a few stickers, dash lights, bumpers...
Someone buy this car. I think it is worth 10% more with the Euro roots....
They don't confiscate cars.... You must have read too many 959 articles.
A 95 C2 was imported to the US... Therefore it is legal.....The conversion is very easy, a few stickers, dash lights, bumpers...
Someone buy this car. I think it is worth 10% more with the Euro roots....
That may be so in Oregon, but not Kalifornia. We have stricker smog laws and inspections. Gray market is simply not that easy here, unless they relaxed the law in past 10 years when I had to convert the complete engine in my Gray market car (and that car had been registered in Kalifornia, moved to Washington and moved back and it still had to jump through very difficult hoops)-- and if anything the laws have gotten stricker since then. And our friend here asking the questions is in San Francisco.
Is it possible to do? Of course. Could it be easy? Maybe? Is it something he must check into before buying? Duh.
#40
#41
Where is all this coming from... You guys have personal experience about these issues...
this car has already been imported, it has a legal title, they will not ask for the EPA paperwork...It is also OBD 1, with is way easier to pass emisions...
I could see a problem if the car did not pass and you ran into a crazy EPA guy... DMV has nothing to do with EPA....
If it in the county,with a title you are home free....It is a US car know... nobody cares anymore...There are no DEQ/ DOT/ EPA police waiting for you around the corner...
this car has already been imported, it has a legal title, they will not ask for the EPA paperwork...It is also OBD 1, with is way easier to pass emisions...
I could see a problem if the car did not pass and you ran into a crazy EPA guy... DMV has nothing to do with EPA....
If it in the county,with a title you are home free....It is a US car know... nobody cares anymore...There are no DEQ/ DOT/ EPA police waiting for you around the corner...
This just ain't so. Here in California you have to pass smog every two years until your car is 25 years old. Smog test guys are deathly afraid you are a smog-**** CARB inspector trying to trick them into passing a non-compliant car, costing them their license and a big fine. If you don't have the CA-approved smog parts on it or a "CA-OK" sticker you don't pass. You don't pass, you can't drive, you can't sell.
#42
RS 197, FYI, just because a car was brought into the U.S., it doesn't mean it was done legally or correctly. Many states' DMV's are very, very strict and, when they recognize a non-U.S. VIN, they may investigate and require physical inspection at a DMV Inspection Station before they will issue a title. Yes, confiscation is rare but it does happen. Most of the time, an owner whose car is found to be illegal will be required to either bring it into compliance or ship it out of the country. As has been stated before, many insurance companies will not insure a grey market vehicle for fear that, if the vehicle is in an accident, parts availability may be an issue. In addition, some vehicles required door beams to be added and they may not have been up to spec., creating a liability issue that they prefer not to face. I'd say if you've had an easy time of it, consider yourself lucky and maintain a low profle about it.
#43
Joe is right . I don't know the price (maybe I missed that out) but let's look at the facts. If this car has not been in a major accident (which a good PPI should reveal):
1. pre '96 ROW gearing (big plus)
2. sunroof delete (Joe is right, the center button is missing on the center console. One is for the retractable spoiler, one is for the rear wiper and none is for the sunroof ).
As far as the seats being cloth, who cares with you are replacing them with Recaro PPs..
Do I smell DONOR CAR FOR RS CLONE??? go for it dudes, how many 993s with sunroof delete and ROW gearing for that price over there??
1. pre '96 ROW gearing (big plus)
2. sunroof delete (Joe is right, the center button is missing on the center console. One is for the retractable spoiler, one is for the rear wiper and none is for the sunroof ).
As far as the seats being cloth, who cares with you are replacing them with Recaro PPs..
Do I smell DONOR CAR FOR RS CLONE??? go for it dudes, how many 993s with sunroof delete and ROW gearing for that price over there??
#44
I was wondering about that car, too.
Regarding emissions, if it doesn't have a sticker that says it meets CA emission standards, then good luck! I think it could be brought in only by the current owner moving into the state, otherwise the level of difficulty will be much higher.
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/howto/htvr9.htm
Regarding emissions, if it doesn't have a sticker that says it meets CA emission standards, then good luck! I think it could be brought in only by the current owner moving into the state, otherwise the level of difficulty will be much higher.
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/howto/htvr9.htm