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Old 02-09-2009, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by murfysflaw
Interesting. I've heard of similar symptoms in lifted Jeeps called "death wobble", but it's normally caused not completely taking care of all the things necessary to properly lift a Jeep 3+ inches. Gets lots of things out of alignment and many people try to do it on the cheap. Can't imagine what it'd be on a Porsche aside from what others have suggested with the tie rods, control arms, and finally ice/snow buildup.
Death wobble is usually from caster being off on lifted Jeeps.

I would do some real inspecting of all front stering and suspension connections in the OPs case. Could be ice, but that sounds like an odd one to me.
Old 02-09-2009, 08:09 PM
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Shocks don't seem too bad, actually, despite their age. No bounce, just nice damped response. And I flog her pretty good around pretty bumpy curves almost every day with no loss of confidence. And I'm pretty sure the shimmy I'm experiencing wasn't brought on by a bump.

Perfect today (3 straight days of warm weather). If it happens again when it cannot be ice, I'll have the pros take a look - everything seemss right to me.
Old 02-09-2009, 08:23 PM
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I agree with the ice.
Old 03-03-2009, 10:50 PM
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Alright, it's happened twice more (5 times total), all times the day after the car has seen some snow/ice/slush. All times I can stop the car for a minute or two and drive off and it's fine for some time (many days...)

So while it still could be ice, it seems unlikely that it would happen so often. I'll let the pros look her over see what they can find. Keep you posted.
Old 03-03-2009, 11:16 PM
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I still think it is front bushings. They may look OK but get a large prybar and you'll see how wiped out they are.
Old 03-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by helmet155
I still think it is front bushings. They may look OK but get a large prybar and you'll see how wiped out they are.
That is an easy one to assess. It's worth checking out.
Old 03-04-2009, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bart1
Death wobble is usually from caster being off on lifted Jeeps.
There you go... Couldn't remember, but I know I had it all aligned and everything after the lift and never had a problem.
Old 03-04-2009, 12:54 PM
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Ahhh...Ice forming inside your tire from the miosture in the tire.

At cold temps the moisture condenses and refreezes in a lump at night. In the morning after driving 10to 15 minutes the tires warm up enough to let it loose. Then you stop and the water melts and evenly distributes.
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Originally Posted by Bruce SEA 993
Ahhh...Ice forming inside your tire from the miosture in the tire.

At cold temps the moisture condenses and refreezes in a lump at night. In the morning after driving 10to 15 minutes the tires warm up enough to let it loose. Then you stop and the water melts and evenly distributes.
Hmmm... So he could drill a hole in each of his tires, let the water drain out, and then plug each hole.


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Old 03-04-2009, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AOW162435
Hmmm... So he could drill a hole in each of his tires, let the water drain out, and then plug each hole.


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Old 03-04-2009, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AOW162435
Hmmm... So he could drill a hole in each of his tires, let the water drain out, and then plug each hole.

Andreas
Hmmm...I thought long about this and figured that he could also lose air if he did this.

So, maybe re-routing the SAI valve to the tire valves could work. On startup, the SAI pump will flush any water buildup in the tires and refill them with air at the same time.
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Originally Posted by AOW162435
Hmmm... So he could drill a hole in each of his tires, let the water drain out, and then plug each hole.

Andreas
Thats been successful for me as well, but I've elected not to plug the tires to keep THIS particular "problem" from recurring.

I deplore doing things twice,...
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Fill with nitrogen in the future to minimize the moisture inside the tire...
Old 03-04-2009, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cabrio993
Hmmm...I thought long about this and figured that he could also lose air if he did this.

So, maybe re-routing the SAI valve to the tire valves could work. On startup, the SAI pump will flush any water buildup in the tires and refill them with air at the same time.
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None of you guys are allowed to work on my car.

I've never heard of ice inside the tires but the humidity is low here. You would think that the ice would be distributed and not affect balance. Mechanical looseness can cause inconsistent vibration. You would think the tires would be worn if it was plain front end wear.


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