Sell my 964 for a 993?
08-30-2008, 10:22 PM
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Sell my 964 for a 993?
A cross-post to the 964 Forum is attached. Any comments from you 993 guys? I trust you'll be as helpful as the 964 guys.
Some advice please.
I have an opportunity to buy a Midnight Blue '96 Carrera for a great price, but I will have to sell my Grand Prix White '89 964 C4 to pay for it.
Those of you familiar with this forum might remember some of the problems that you've so graciously helped me resolve on the C4. So I have some mixed feelings about selling the C4, now that it is finally running so great. However, it's a really attractive deal because I can increase my equity by about $15,000 by buying the 993, due to the low price ("brother-in-law" deal). It's apparently in much better condition inside and out, although I have not seen it in person yet. Mileage is a little high, but my 964 has over 110,000, so that's not a big consideration. The 993 has some nice options like heated, electrically controlled seats both sides and the 210 sound system, but it also has an automatic limited slip differential, which I understand is a great performance option. Otherwise, it's pretty much stock with sunroof, etc. My 964 is also stock with similar options, except for the LSD.
My questions for this Forum are:
1. Do any of you have experience with both these cars, or with similar models?
2. What differences will I find in the 993?
3. What do you think my 964 is worth?
4. How long would you guess it will take me to sell it at a "very reasonable" price?
No responses necessary regarding aesthetics or purchasing please, as I am familiar with the differences in the looks of these cars and know how to buy a used Porsche. I'm more concerned about performance, feel, maintenance costs, common problems with the 993, etc.
My 964:
GPW/Cashmere C4 110,000 miles
New parts: steering rack, tie rod ends, rear wheel bearing, valve guides, valve springs, rocker shafts/bolts/nuts, wrist pins, rings, rod bearings, flywheel and rod bolts, battery, fuel pump, O2 sensor and Pagid black pads .
R & R: resurfaced flywheel and lower valve covers, rear inner and outer C.V. joint boots.
2 years ago (previous owner): Complete top end, then bottom end overhaul when they found additional problems on start up. Replaced ECU and R & R'd A/C. Work totaled over $11,300. New parts above were installed as preventative when a valve broke recently. Apparently the only thing not replaced with the $11,300 were the valve guides. Don't ask me why.
Extras: Cup pipe (have original muffler), Alpine head unit with Sirius Radio component and IPod pigtail, 5 channel high power Alpine amp, Infinity component system in doors and 10" JL sub in custom made box matching interior finishes in rear seat well (have original seat back). Chrome D90's with 3/4 good Pilot Sports. Extra set of painted D90's with 1/2 good asym. Yoko's.
Everything works properly except passenger window (switch maybe?), driver door keyway locking and cigarette lighter. NO oil leaks. Engine pulls strong and smoothly to red line.
Exterior: Shines like new, usual paint chips and dings with mileage but more than usual in driver door, above rt. rear wheel well and below passenger door. Minor scuffs on bumpers.
Interior: Clean, but seats are cracked (next project was to R & R leather), no tears. No cracks in dash,smooth visors, etc.
Thanks in advance for your help, one more time. If I make the deal, I'll probably continue watching this forum "in memorium" because everyone's been so great and the 964 is such a wonderful car. Maybe I'll eventually convert the additional equity into another 964 with lower mileage .
Some advice please.
I have an opportunity to buy a Midnight Blue '96 Carrera for a great price, but I will have to sell my Grand Prix White '89 964 C4 to pay for it.
Those of you familiar with this forum might remember some of the problems that you've so graciously helped me resolve on the C4. So I have some mixed feelings about selling the C4, now that it is finally running so great. However, it's a really attractive deal because I can increase my equity by about $15,000 by buying the 993, due to the low price ("brother-in-law" deal). It's apparently in much better condition inside and out, although I have not seen it in person yet. Mileage is a little high, but my 964 has over 110,000, so that's not a big consideration. The 993 has some nice options like heated, electrically controlled seats both sides and the 210 sound system, but it also has an automatic limited slip differential, which I understand is a great performance option. Otherwise, it's pretty much stock with sunroof, etc. My 964 is also stock with similar options, except for the LSD.
My questions for this Forum are:
1. Do any of you have experience with both these cars, or with similar models?
2. What differences will I find in the 993?
3. What do you think my 964 is worth?
4. How long would you guess it will take me to sell it at a "very reasonable" price?
No responses necessary regarding aesthetics or purchasing please, as I am familiar with the differences in the looks of these cars and know how to buy a used Porsche. I'm more concerned about performance, feel, maintenance costs, common problems with the 993, etc.
My 964:
GPW/Cashmere C4 110,000 miles
New parts: steering rack, tie rod ends, rear wheel bearing, valve guides, valve springs, rocker shafts/bolts/nuts, wrist pins, rings, rod bearings, flywheel and rod bolts, battery, fuel pump, O2 sensor and Pagid black pads .
R & R: resurfaced flywheel and lower valve covers, rear inner and outer C.V. joint boots.
2 years ago (previous owner): Complete top end, then bottom end overhaul when they found additional problems on start up. Replaced ECU and R & R'd A/C. Work totaled over $11,300. New parts above were installed as preventative when a valve broke recently. Apparently the only thing not replaced with the $11,300 were the valve guides. Don't ask me why.
Extras: Cup pipe (have original muffler), Alpine head unit with Sirius Radio component and IPod pigtail, 5 channel high power Alpine amp, Infinity component system in doors and 10" JL sub in custom made box matching interior finishes in rear seat well (have original seat back). Chrome D90's with 3/4 good Pilot Sports. Extra set of painted D90's with 1/2 good asym. Yoko's.
Everything works properly except passenger window (switch maybe?), driver door keyway locking and cigarette lighter. NO oil leaks. Engine pulls strong and smoothly to red line.
Exterior: Shines like new, usual paint chips and dings with mileage but more than usual in driver door, above rt. rear wheel well and below passenger door. Minor scuffs on bumpers.
Interior: Clean, but seats are cracked (next project was to R & R leather), no tears. No cracks in dash,smooth visors, etc.
Thanks in advance for your help, one more time. If I make the deal, I'll probably continue watching this forum "in memorium" because everyone's been so great and the 964 is such a wonderful car. Maybe I'll eventually convert the additional equity into another 964 with lower mileage .
08-30-2008, 10:47 PM
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I suggest doing a bit of homework, lots of threads on those topics. see this thread by bill verburg over at pelican.. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=399143 the 964 guys over there will have a better idea re: value
theres a thread right now on pelican regarding moving up from a 964 to a 993.. here http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=424553
theres a thread right now on pelican regarding moving up from a 964 to a 993.. here http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=424553
08-31-2008, 02:50 AM
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Thanks! Those were some great threads.
However, I have to say the 964 Forum has the 993 beat for responsiveness. Half as many on line, six times as many offers of advice.
However, I have to say the 964 Forum has the 993 beat for responsiveness. Half as many on line, six times as many offers of advice.
08-31-2008, 03:13 AM
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The 993 is a superior car to the 964 (especially aesthetically), and it will hold its value better because it is more desirable. I think you're dramatically over-complicating this decision. If (1) you have the money, (2) the 993 is a good deal, and (3) you like the 993 more than the 964, then (4) buy the 993 and sell the 964.
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I have a 1989 C4 that I have own for eight an half years. I really love this car I also own a 1995 993 black Cab. They are two great cars an in the winter in Tahoe I drive the 964 an when the weather is hot I drive the 993 this way I get to drive two great cars all year long. So I would never sell my 964 they are two of the best Air Cooled cars that Porsche ever made. Vernon.
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08-31-2008, 10:16 AM
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My questions for this Forum are:
1. Do any of you have experience with both these cars, or with similar models?
2. What differences will I find in the 993?
3. What do you think my 964 is worth?
4. How long would you guess it will take me to sell it at a "very reasonable" price?
No responses necessary regarding aesthetics or purchasing please, as I am familiar with the differences in the looks of these cars and know how to buy a used Porsche. I'm more concerned about performance, feel, maintenance costs, common problems with the 993, etc.
1. Do any of you have experience with both these cars, or with similar models?
2. What differences will I find in the 993?
3. What do you think my 964 is worth?
4. How long would you guess it will take me to sell it at a "very reasonable" price?
No responses necessary regarding aesthetics or purchasing please, as I am familiar with the differences in the looks of these cars and know how to buy a used Porsche. I'm more concerned about performance, feel, maintenance costs, common problems with the 993, etc.
2. Well, since you made it clear in your demands that you don't want to hear about the "aesthetics", read those other threads. The +/- have been beat to death. The biggest plus (aside from body style which is completely personal pref.) on the 964s are the bargains available. You can get a lot of car for the $ in a 964 these days!
3. $16,572.87
4. 52 days
Yeah, sarcasm... but the questions you are asking are impossible to answer here. Ask different questions? I think you wil find this group will be helpful if you ask answerable questions.
My take on the bottom line: If you like (or love) the 993 and you found a good deal on one, go for it. Hopefully the seller will sit on it for you while you get your 964 sold.
Both are great cars. Life is good.
Good luck!
08-31-2008, 12:02 PM
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SInce I just made this move 1991 C2 Targa to 1991 C4 Cab I cna tell you what I have noticed.
I am 6'3" 265# and I had more legroom in the 964. The lower knee pad in the 993 catches my left shin in the 993. Seats seem to go lower in the 993 and the lumbar option is nice. The 993 has the factory sound option and it is much louder than the 964 with a Shubert Primary By-pass. I like it, the wife not so much. The 993 has hydraulic lifters - no more valve adjuustments. THe 993 has plastic valve covers - they can leak, the 964's are metal. Of course I picked up a set of EagleDay Covers to cover that. The 964 is the last of the bug-eyed body - I liked it, but I like the 993 looks better. In this 1996 - you have possible SAI issues, OBD2 - so you will have to have it emissions tested. 993 has the Wiessach rear suspension, my 964 seemed to have more storage room up front, but then it was a C2.
In your 964, does the passanger side window drop using the driver side switch? If so it is probably the switch, if not then think about replacing the motor. About an hour job. Check the fuse and relay before taking anything apart though.
I am 6'3" 265# and I had more legroom in the 964. The lower knee pad in the 993 catches my left shin in the 993. Seats seem to go lower in the 993 and the lumbar option is nice. The 993 has the factory sound option and it is much louder than the 964 with a Shubert Primary By-pass. I like it, the wife not so much. The 993 has hydraulic lifters - no more valve adjuustments. THe 993 has plastic valve covers - they can leak, the 964's are metal. Of course I picked up a set of EagleDay Covers to cover that. The 964 is the last of the bug-eyed body - I liked it, but I like the 993 looks better. In this 1996 - you have possible SAI issues, OBD2 - so you will have to have it emissions tested. 993 has the Wiessach rear suspension, my 964 seemed to have more storage room up front, but then it was a C2.
In your 964, does the passanger side window drop using the driver side switch? If so it is probably the switch, if not then think about replacing the motor. About an hour job. Check the fuse and relay before taking anything apart though.
