dcdude

Wrong AWD rally car. A6M Zero was one of Mitsubishi's most famous products.

Suzuki started out making weaving looms.

Soishiro Honda started out making piston rings then bolt on bicycle engines. I used to work there.

2Many Cars

Ahhh! Now that you mention it I remember that it was Mitsubishi. You're right.

Nevermind!

matt777

Yeah it's more like 50% more. I thought the price differential was closer.

cabrio993

I'm running H&R springs with Bilsteins HD's. It's a great combo!

ed devinney

One thing that the Bilsteins won't do for you is improve suspension compliance. I had US M030 shocks + RoW M030 springs on my first 993 and have HDs + RoW M030 springs on my current car.

The HDs are harsher over small bumps than the relatively fresh (8k mile/3 year old) OEMs.

cobalt

I guess it is how you look at it. IMO the OEM shocks are way to under dampened although the bilsteins might be too much for the softer M030 springs.

matt777

This is the one comment I have heard alot in searching through this forum on the Bilstein HDs. Is it the Bilstein HDsor just the combo with the M030s? Perhaps the H&R springs are the way to go.

ed devinney

I wish I knew the reason - could be overdamped for the springs &possibly exacerbated by the progressive nature of the RoW M030s? Could be as my racing mechanic says just the nature of the high pressure Bilsteins. My Koni equipped cars have been more supple over the small stuff while being no less controlled. I'll take a little harsher considering that they should last longer than OEM.

tj90

Since were talking alternatives, how about Koni or KW shocks?

CaptainGSR

I am looking for shocks/springs too!
I wish Koni yellows were available! But nope! That would just be too easy.....
As far as the KW Coilovers, the pss10s seem to be everyone's favorite and cheaper too.
The Bilstein HD/ Mo3o setup is getting too many mixed reviews for my taste.
H&R street Performance non-adjustable coilovers seem to be a good and simple alternative. I might try these if i find a good deal on them.
Good luck!

tj90

Huh? The koni sport cartridges for the front are all over the place. Cannot find the rears. I guess it would be weird to have Koni up front and HD in rear...

JM993

Weird but true. Unfortunately, Koni simply kept fronts in their catalog because the work for the 964. They never designed a rear shock for our cars.

I'm actually contemplating approaching Koni to see if they will make me a set of double adjustables.

Incidentally, my E30 325is has Koni yellows which I love. And 993 has HDs which I hate. The HDs simply have too much compression dampening for anything but a really smooth road or track.

tj90

The nice thing about Koni is that they are supposedly adjustable dampening up front ($200 each). The downside is that you use the hacksaw the factory strut and fit the Koni inside the old one. I dont doubt that it works, its just not bolt on...

bart1

My mechanic reccomded Bilstein HD and Eibach springs. I have seen where many have used Bilstien and H&R springs. Thoughts?

Floodj

Very interesting thread. A suspension upgrade is next step down the slope.
thanks,
--Joe