C4S vs. Turbo
01-31-2008, 05:39 PM
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I guess that wasn't a fair statement. Sitting here now, I have had a turbo, but I've never had a supercharged 993 and I thought that would be cool. In addition, my C4S was all done and I had to start over with the TT. I also happen to be a fan of the no-tail look.
My mechanic did a TPC supercharger with a Protomotive ecu remap eliminating the goofy 7th injector and piggyback ecu. That car dynoed about the same as my modified TT, if I recall correctly.
Greg H.
My mechanic did a TPC supercharger with a Protomotive ecu remap eliminating the goofy 7th injector and piggyback ecu. That car dynoed about the same as my modified TT, if I recall correctly.
Greg H.
02-01-2008, 02:26 AM
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Why not spend the money on the car you already love and appreciate ? For $10k you could do a combination of modifications that will transform the way the car looks, accelerates and handles.
-RS Clutch, LWF
-New Suspension
-Regearing your box
-Slap a TT wing on the back
-Exhaust, Sport Cats
Use these options to keep your enthusiasm up with the 4S for a long long time. The $10k spent will be about 1/2 of what you would need to spend to either upgrade to a TT engine swap or get into a TT altogether.
Seems like a no brainer for anyone with a stock C4S and an itch for something new.
-RS Clutch, LWF
-New Suspension
-Regearing your box
-Slap a TT wing on the back
-Exhaust, Sport Cats
Use these options to keep your enthusiasm up with the 4S for a long long time. The $10k spent will be about 1/2 of what you would need to spend to either upgrade to a TT engine swap or get into a TT altogether.
Seems like a no brainer for anyone with a stock C4S and an itch for something new.
02-01-2008, 02:27 AM
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I guess that wasn't a fair statement. Sitting here now, I have had a turbo, but I've never had a supercharged 993 and I thought that would be cool. In addition, my C4S was all done and I had to start over with the TT. I also happen to be a fan of the no-tail look.
My mechanic did a TPC supercharger with a Protomotive ecu remap eliminating the goofy 7th injector and piggyback ecu. That car dynoed about the same as my modified TT, if I recall correctly.
Greg H.
My mechanic did a TPC supercharger with a Protomotive ecu remap eliminating the goofy 7th injector and piggyback ecu. That car dynoed about the same as my modified TT, if I recall correctly.
Greg H.
02-08-2008, 12:07 AM
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Wow I never noticed how much negativity is out there about modding a 993. If you want to do it, do it. Your options are something like this:
1. sell your car and spend $20k - $25k more for a TT. Retail is good.
2. drop a TT engine in your car for probably $17k net. Retail is not as good.
3. turbocharge or supercharge your car for $14k. Can be reversed.
Everybody seems to know what's "best" for you, but what's really best takes into account:
- those options,
- transaction costs,
- your budget,
- your goals,
- how much effort you have invested in your current car that you'd have to re-do in a new car,
- how solid your engine is, and
- the risks that the new car or engine will have issues of their own. (e.g. LAPD just sold a guy a TT engine for a conversion that was a lemon)
Is the stock 993 car ok for added power? Yes absolutely, to a limit. People are running 400+ hp without internal mods just fine. Tranny is no problem. There weren't all that many changes for the TT engine - see Frere's book and Streather's 993 Companion. N/A 993's are getting REALLY cheap, while TT's are holding high values, so this kind of modding is likely going to get more popular.
Yes. He's told me he's done quite a few. I've posted about this. TPC will deduct $1200 from the price, but the new injectors and tuning will eat up most of that.
1. sell your car and spend $20k - $25k more for a TT. Retail is good.
2. drop a TT engine in your car for probably $17k net. Retail is not as good.
3. turbocharge or supercharge your car for $14k. Can be reversed.
Everybody seems to know what's "best" for you, but what's really best takes into account:
- those options,
- transaction costs,
- your budget,
- your goals,
- how much effort you have invested in your current car that you'd have to re-do in a new car,
- how solid your engine is, and
- the risks that the new car or engine will have issues of their own. (e.g. LAPD just sold a guy a TT engine for a conversion that was a lemon)
Is the stock 993 car ok for added power? Yes absolutely, to a limit. People are running 400+ hp without internal mods just fine. Tranny is no problem. There weren't all that many changes for the TT engine - see Frere's book and Streather's 993 Companion. N/A 993's are getting REALLY cheap, while TT's are holding high values, so this kind of modding is likely going to get more popular.
Yes. He's told me he's done quite a few. I've posted about this. TPC will deduct $1200 from the price, but the new injectors and tuning will eat up most of that.
02-08-2008, 12:17 AM
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simple solution.. keep your C4S and buy a 993TT as well. Sell your house or boat or kid if necessary. Park them close together and hang a tarp between then and sleep underneath.
I had a 96 arena red 993TT10 years ago and loved the car.. but was not willing to work over the extra $20-$30K premium and bought a similar car in the NA variety.. same color / year but C4S and dig it.
it is ALL good brother. have fun and enjoy
I had a 96 arena red 993TT10 years ago and loved the car.. but was not willing to work over the extra $20-$30K premium and bought a similar car in the NA variety.. same color / year but C4S and dig it.
it is ALL good brother. have fun and enjoy
02-08-2008, 12:47 AM
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Wow I never noticed how much negativity is out there about modding a 993. If you want to do it, do it. Your options are something like this:
1. sell your car and spend $20k - $25k more for a TT. Retail is good.
2. drop a TT engine in your car for probably $17k net. Retail is not as good.
3. turbocharge or supercharge your car for $14k. Can be reversed.
Everybody seems to know what's "best" for you, but what's really best takes into account:
- those options,
- transaction costs,
- your budget,
- your goals,
- how much effort you have invested in your current car that you'd have to re-do in a new car,
- how solid your engine is, and
- the risks that the new car or engine will have issues of their own. (e.g. LAPD just sold a guy a TT engine for a conversion that was a lemon)
Is the stock 993 car ok for added power? Yes absolutely, to a limit. People are running 400+ hp without internal mods just fine. Tranny is no problem. There weren't all that many changes for the TT engine - see Frere's book and Streather's 993 Companion. N/A 993's are getting REALLY cheap, while TT's are holding high values, so this kind of modding is likely going to get more popular.
Yes. He's told me he's done quite a few. I've posted about this. TPC will deduct $1200 from the price, but the new injectors and tuning will eat up most of that.
1. sell your car and spend $20k - $25k more for a TT. Retail is good.
2. drop a TT engine in your car for probably $17k net. Retail is not as good.
3. turbocharge or supercharge your car for $14k. Can be reversed.
Everybody seems to know what's "best" for you, but what's really best takes into account:
- those options,
- transaction costs,
- your budget,
- your goals,
- how much effort you have invested in your current car that you'd have to re-do in a new car,
- how solid your engine is, and
- the risks that the new car or engine will have issues of their own. (e.g. LAPD just sold a guy a TT engine for a conversion that was a lemon)
Is the stock 993 car ok for added power? Yes absolutely, to a limit. People are running 400+ hp without internal mods just fine. Tranny is no problem. There weren't all that many changes for the TT engine - see Frere's book and Streather's 993 Companion. N/A 993's are getting REALLY cheap, while TT's are holding high values, so this kind of modding is likely going to get more popular.
Yes. He's told me he's done quite a few. I've posted about this. TPC will deduct $1200 from the price, but the new injectors and tuning will eat up most of that.
I'll have to read more about the Protomotive tuning on the TPC kit. Meanwhile, I've been reading up on the 9m kits as well... what a great setup that would be. Ahh, so much you can do, soo little time and money. 
simple solution.. keep your C4S and buy a 993TT as well. Sell your house or boat or kid if necessary. Park them close together and hang a tarp between then and sleep underneath.
I had a 96 arena red 993TT10 years ago and loved the car.. but was not willing to work over the extra $20-$30K premium and bought a similar car in the NA variety.. same color / year but C4S and dig it.
it is ALL good brother. have fun and enjoy
I had a 96 arena red 993TT10 years ago and loved the car.. but was not willing to work over the extra $20-$30K premium and bought a similar car in the NA variety.. same color / year but C4S and dig it.
it is ALL good brother. have fun and enjoy
BTW, I guess you have the Arena Red/Cashmere C4s that I was looking for back in the day... she's a beaut!
02-08-2008, 10:55 AM
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Certainly want to keep the car... all the upgrades you mentioned will come one at a time. I think my immediate concern will be the suspension. PSS10s, as soon as the vendors get their hands on them and I can find a good price or maybe a good group buy. The TT idea was not just to get the look, but for the extra pwr. Again, not in any particular rush... I can foresee craving more hp as I get more seat time, especially when every run in the mill sports car these days seem to get close to or surpass the power output of the 993.
02-08-2008, 11:06 AM
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Thanks both of you for answering all the questions and the encouragement . I'll have to read more about the Protomotive tuning on the TPC kit. Meanwhile, I've been reading up on the 9m kits as well... what a great setup that would be. Ahh, so much you can do, soo little time and money.
All these fantastic ideas banzai... sounds good to me. BTW, I guess you have the Arena Red/Cashmere C4s that I was looking for back in the day... she's a beaut!
I'll have to read more about the Protomotive tuning on the TPC kit. Meanwhile, I've been reading up on the 9m kits as well... what a great setup that would be. Ahh, so much you can do, soo little time and money. All these fantastic ideas banzai... sounds good to me.
BTW, I guess you have the Arena Red/Cashmere C4s that I was looking for back in the day... she's a beaut!
02-08-2008, 01:00 PM
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Without rereading this thread, I don't think people on this forum are anti-modding cars. In fact I would guess that the number of people that do not mod cars are a small minority. I think that when you are talking about Supercharging or doing engine swaps or turning your engine into 3.8 or 4Ls - and that all you are after is more power - (as opposed to meeting some other specific requirement) that people are correctly pointing out that it would be a better investment to buy a Turbo. But it is certainly your car and money and we all love reading about these mods. Do what makes you happy.
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02-08-2008, 04:34 PM
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If you are pretty handy and enjoy the work involved with building/creating something unique then modding your current car can be quite rewarding. However, if you are not a DIY'er, and have to pay retail on parts and labor for all of your mods, the costs can get out of control very quickly thus killing all of the "fun" involved with the project. I have done mods to my car that I don't think I have seen on any other 993, if I wasn't able to do them myself I probably would have not gone this exact route since it would have been costly. If you think you will never sell your car, then do to it whatever makes you happy. Just realize that if the time comes when you need to sell it, it will be more difficult to sell then a comparable stock car unless you find just the right buyer.
Without rereading this thread, I don't think people on this forum are anti-modding cars. In fact I would guess that the number of people that do not mod cars are a small minority. I think that when you are talking about Supercharging or doing engine swaps or turning your engine into 3.8 or 4Ls - and that all you are after is more power - (as opposed to meeting some other specific requirement) that people are correctly pointing out that it would be a better investment to buy a Turbo. But it is certainly your car and money and we all love reading about these mods. Do what makes you happy.
Greg H.
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02-11-2008, 10:06 PM
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She's my first! Can't give her up soo easily 
I think I understand what probably needs to be done with the engine/intake & exhaust system etc. But, is there any other physical differences between the two? Beefed up drivetrain/transmission etc? Seems like there are a lot of similarities like the all wheel drive system, big reds, wheels, body work etc. Is it just a matter of moding the engine (turbo system) is what I am asking?
I think I understand what probably needs to be done with the engine/intake & exhaust system etc. But, is there any other physical differences between the two? Beefed up drivetrain/transmission etc? Seems like there are a lot of similarities like the all wheel drive system, big reds, wheels, body work etc. Is it just a matter of moding the engine (turbo system) is what I am asking?
HI BROTHER .. !!
i understand your feeling very well, but follow the wise advise ..
want turbo plant, buy a turbo car ... do not mess with texas .. !!!
02-12-2008, 09:57 AM
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